RE: Roads police chief stands down
Discussion
PDM5 said:
Glad to hear that he admit's the camera's haven't worked out too well. We can only hope his replacement is a bit more tuned in to public opinion.
I think the best way to get rid of camera's is, if everyone who gets snapped writes to the camera parnerships and buries them in paperwork, to which they have to reply will soon cause them to become inefficient, Economics will soon prevail, and get them shut down. A national (internet) campaign to do this could work wonders.
How about if you dont get snapped by a scamera, just write a letter anyway telling them what a bad idea speed camaras are, photocopy it loads and send one everyday, now if every one does it, that will bury them, as they will have to open every envelope as they will not know which ones have money in. "this may work too"
Oh & how do you go about setting up a campaign. Like the idea but i doubt it will work, as the government make too much money out of the scameras, which helps the big black hole that muppet Gorden Brown has created with his wonderful economy.
Also i sincerely doubt that, that copper gets many letters from people about puting up more scameras.
How about teaching kids these days the green cross code!!!!
Don't get me wrong drivers do need to be more careful around schools.
But what about motorbikes you can still ride fast and kill pedestrians with one of these but they are not targeted by scameras, its just us poor drivers.
We could all buy motorbikes instead of cars and we could then go as fast as we want!!!!!!!!
jazzyjeff said:
The unproven argument of greenhouse gasses caused by the car gives the government another good reason to tax the hell out of the 'enemy' while at the same time casting cars in an evil light
Speeding is an unavoidable part of everyday driving,
I don't like speed cameras or the anti-car lobby any more than the next man but comments like this do not help matters.
Greenhouse gases ARE generated by cars - just get your head into a decent engineering or chemistry book to find out the kind of poison that gets spewed from the average exhaust. Of course, this doesn't mean that anyone's found a better alternative to cars yet (plus the fact that buses emit the same muck in even greater amounts).
Please explain how speeding is an "unavoidable" part of everyday driving. Anything can be avoidable if people try. Its a bit like saying cutting up other drivers/running over pedestrians/driving like a d*ck with your fog lights blazing in broad daylight is unavoidable. To be honest I have enough trouble with tw*ts who don't pay any attention to speed limits at all - which often means me being frustrated stuck behind them doing 42mph in a safe derestricted road...a speed they continue to do between the speed humps and past the school in a 20mph zone (!!?)
>> Edited by jazzyjeff on Tuesday 4th October 13:47
If you want to moan about green house gas immissions then moan at all the countries like china, india, america who are churning out a lot more crap than we do. They are the ones screwing the enviroment to excess. NOT US.
hedders said:Indeed!
The leading contender to replace him is Med Hughes, Chief Constable of South Yorkshire. Mr Hughes is also a passionate advocate of speed cameras despite having two speeding convictions.
How on Earth can a repeat speeding offender get a job running the road safety department??
To think, he was twice caught even with the current ‘all cameras to remain highly visible’ policy.
Do you think someone like that would face losing his licence if his own ‘all cameras to remain hidden’ policy is adopted? Of course not – he has a chauffeur!
Andy_L said:
This is definate proof that speed cams don't work police chiefs don't stand down just because the public don't like them there is a serious flaw in the policy underlying this decision to quit and he is getting out before it is exposed.
But it's not enough how many people a have lost their lives because of this very bad policy?
An independant investigation is required at the very least.
>> Edited by Andy_L on Tuesday 4th October 12:01
I made a chart yesterday detailing N Wales road deaths from 1997 to 2004. Adding a trend line shows an upward trend.
apache said:
It won't matter a damn who is put in charge. Govt policy drives the scheme and their end goal is to get everyone on public transport, this is being done by creating an illusion whereby the car is evil (from an environmental and safety point of view)
The unproven argument of greenhouse gasses caused by the car gives the government another good reason to tax the hell out of the 'enemy' while at the same time casting cars in an evil light
Speeding is an unavoidable part of everyday driving, by making 'speeding as antisocial as drink driving' more and more pressure is being put on the motorist who, is now, becoming a pariah. The massive revenue earned from cameras helps a severly cash strapped government while at the same time reinforcing the illusion that they care about safety.
Whoever is appointed will have to toe the government line because the ultimate aim is much more than one of saving lives
100% correct.
jazzyjeff said:
The unproven argument of greenhouse gasses caused by the car gives the government another good reason to tax the hell out of the 'enemy' while at the same time casting cars in an evil light
Speeding is an unavoidable part of everyday driving,
I don't like speed cameras or the anti-car lobby any more than the next man but comments like this do not help matters.
Greenhouse gases ARE generated by cars - just get your head into a decent engineering or chemistry book to find out the kind of poison that gets spewed from the average exhaust. Of course, this doesn't mean that anyone's found a better alternative to cars yet (plus the fact that buses emit the same muck in even greater amounts).
Please explain how speeding is an "unavoidable" part of everyday driving. Anything can be avoidable if people try. Its a bit like saying cutting up other drivers/running over pedestrians/driving like a d*ck with your fog lights blazing in broad daylight is unavoidable. To be honest I have enough trouble with tw*ts who don't pay any attention to speed limits at all - which often means me being frustrated stuck behind them doing 42mph in a safe derestricted road...a speed they continue to do between the speed humps and past the school in a 20mph zone (!!?)
>> Edited by jazzyjeff on Tuesday 4th October 13:47
Had a look at your CO2 emmissions on your MOT lately? a cow farts more in a day.
If speeding is so avoidable, how come so many people (of all types police chiefs included) have them? Are you telling us you drive down a motorway at 70? every night and day, all the time?
jazzyjeff said:
The unproven argument of greenhouse gasses caused by the car gives the government another good reason to tax the hell out of the 'enemy' while at the same time casting cars in an evil light
Speeding is an unavoidable part of everyday driving,
I don't like speed cameras or the anti-car lobby any more than the next man but comments like this do not help matters.
Greenhouse gases ARE generated by cars - just get your head into a decent engineering or chemistry book to find out the kind of poison that gets spewed from the average exhaust. Of course, this doesn't mean that anyone's found a better alternative to cars yet (plus the fact that buses emit the same muck in even greater amounts).
>> Edited by jazzyjeff on Tuesday 4th October 13:47
If you are referring to carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas and believe the lies that it is pollutant, perhaps you might ask your science tutor for a refund.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas, a very minor one comprisng less than 400 parts per million of atmosphere. Without the greenhouse effect, Earth would be frozen.
Plants use sunlight, carbon dioxide and water to produce oxygen which most of us find quite useful whilst crazed greenies want to reduce our emmissions to zero. Don't exhale then.
BTW, The Late Ordovician era had levels of CO2 12 times higher than today and erm..........that was an Ice Age
A real life story
0330 am A1 southbound just by Stamford. Heavy rain for last few hours means road is awash with very deep accumulations where hgv have rutted surface, poor visibility all in all terrible driving conditions.
Spot a vehicle oncoming around slight curve with very bright lights, flash once to say "dip please" no action so wait few seconds until closer and an now on straight section post curve. Flash again and suddenly spot the WHITE reflective number plate, Yep he's going NORTHBOUND on SOUTHBOUND carridgeway. Swerve over onto lh lane and vehicles pass at what 100 ish MPH. A Mr K Moore (in car behind) also has to carry out this manouver. Stop at first opportunity (say 15/20 seconds)
and phone Plod. Get a lady who promises "to tell some one quickly" and takes my name.
Today driving into Stamford pass scammera van parked off road smi hidden on apex of a bend. just got me thinking that someones got the priorities ALL wrong.
MoJo.
0330 am A1 southbound just by Stamford. Heavy rain for last few hours means road is awash with very deep accumulations where hgv have rutted surface, poor visibility all in all terrible driving conditions.
Spot a vehicle oncoming around slight curve with very bright lights, flash once to say "dip please" no action so wait few seconds until closer and an now on straight section post curve. Flash again and suddenly spot the WHITE reflective number plate, Yep he's going NORTHBOUND on SOUTHBOUND carridgeway. Swerve over onto lh lane and vehicles pass at what 100 ish MPH. A Mr K Moore (in car behind) also has to carry out this manouver. Stop at first opportunity (say 15/20 seconds)
and phone Plod. Get a lady who promises "to tell some one quickly" and takes my name.
Today driving into Stamford pass scammera van parked off road smi hidden on apex of a bend. just got me thinking that someones got the priorities ALL wrong.
MoJo.
yorkshireposttoday said:
The Yorkshire police chief at the forefront of a national campaign to combat speeding has admitted twice being caught by roadside cameras.
The chief constable, who took up his post in September, said his transgressions had only made him more determined to crack down on speeding drivers.
Med Hughes said:
At least you can't call me a hypocrite.
Er... so you consider yourself a criminal? If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.
Gruffy
Edited to say 'you beat me to it'
>> Edited by Gruffy on Tuesday 4th October 15:29
Times Online said:
The leading contender to replace him is Med Hughes, Chief Constable of South Yorkshire. Mr Hughes is also a passionate advocate of speed cameras despite having two speeding convictions.
So a Hypocrite as well as a scammer
but I wonder if Brunstrom jumped or was pushed?
Either way get prepared for a new onslaught against the motorist.
Story said:
Richard Brunstrom admits mistakes over scameras
TruveloChief Constable Richard Brunstrom, the man in charge of Britain's roads policing, is to stand down from his post as head of the Association of Chief Police Officers' (ACPO) road safety committee.
He gave a final interview to The Times yesterday, in which he admitted that he'd under-estimated the strength of feeling there would be about speed cameras.
He also said that he was continuing to work on increasing the flexibility of camera siting rules -- in other words, they shouldn't just be at accident black spots. He said: “Parents often write to us and ask us to put a camera outside a school because the traffic is so dangerous. It’s very difficult to write back and say, ‘Please let us know when your son is killed and then we can consider putting a camera there’.”
Among the revised siting criteria under consideration is the ability to put scameras at crash sites where there had been only slight injuries.
Road safety campaigner Paul Smith, founder of Safe Speed said: "Thank heavens that the man is finally going. He's presided over the worst road safety policy that the UK has ever seen with massive loss of traffic policing, rises in drink drive crashes and a deadly loss of the previous beneficial trend in roads fatalities."
"His policies - especially speed cameras - have caused massive damage to the Police public relationship. Let's hope the new head has the vision to see that good road safety depends on the willing co-operation of a majority of responsible drivers. The law must concentrate on minority of dangerous and irresponsible behaviours."
Who wrote this crap? Don't get me wrong I think the policy on speeding is all wrong and that Brunstrom is an idiot. But he hasn't said he's stepped down because cameras don't work he's mearly stated that he'd misjudged public feeling.
This kind of reporting is as bad as the propaganda spewed out by the Partnerships.
Why has no-one made it their mission to follow Brunstrom whilst driving and film what speed he does. I can't believe that for one minute he doesn't over-step the mark on occasion. It'd certainly discredit and opinion he has on speed being the problem with road safety.
>> Edited by woodytvr on Tuesday 4th October 17:06
>> Edited by woodytvr on Tuesday 4th October 17:07
smeggy said:
THE Yorkshire police chief at the forefront of a national campaign to combat speeding has admitted twice being caught by roadside cameras.
...
"At least you can't call me a hypocrite," he said.
I'm trying to follow his logic, but it seems to me that calling him a hyprocrite is right on the mark?
Its depressing to see that Brunstroms replacement will be even more militant. Who chose him as clearly there is an agenda.
jazzyjeff said:
Please explain how speeding is an "unavoidable" part of everyday driving. Anything can be avoidable if people try.
Speeding's a bit like masturbation - nobody admits to it, but everyone does it. Driving at an inappropriately low speed leads to inattention, laziness and crashes.
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