Speeding fine from Norway?
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Fume troll said:
matchmaker said:
Fume troll said:
matchmaker said:
Fume troll said:
NWTony said:
They'll have to convict you first won't they? If not, can I just add that I've fined you £200 for speeding also, PM me and I'll give you a postal adress to send the cheque through.
FT is wrong, the offence was committed in Norway so only Norwegian courts have jurisdiction. The DVLA wont suspend your license and cannot without a court finding first.
I wouldn't pay or respond to the letters in any way.
He was stopped by the police, so the conviction is already there.FT is wrong, the offence was committed in Norway so only Norwegian courts have jurisdiction. The DVLA wont suspend your license and cannot without a court finding first.
I wouldn't pay or respond to the letters in any way.
Cheers,
FT.
Only courts can convict.Cheers,
FT.
Cheers,
FT.
The term "convicted" is a tricky one anyway, especially when combined with road traffic law. To give an example I once saw someone getting placed on probation for careless driving. They also had their licence endorsed (this was pre penalty points). But at that time (1979) in Scotland a probation order in summary proceedings was made without proceeding to conviction (if you breached the PO you were brought back to court, convicted and sentenced).
So they had an endorsement on their licence in the same way as with any other disposal such as a fine. But they hadn't been convicted....................
matchmaker said:
Fume troll said:
matchmaker said:
Fume troll said:
matchmaker said:
Fume troll said:
NWTony said:
They'll have to convict you first won't they? If not, can I just add that I've fined you £200 for speeding also, PM me and I'll give you a postal adress to send the cheque through.
FT is wrong, the offence was committed in Norway so only Norwegian courts have jurisdiction. The DVLA wont suspend your license and cannot without a court finding first.
I wouldn't pay or respond to the letters in any way.
He was stopped by the police, so the conviction is already there.FT is wrong, the offence was committed in Norway so only Norwegian courts have jurisdiction. The DVLA wont suspend your license and cannot without a court finding first.
I wouldn't pay or respond to the letters in any way.
Cheers,
FT.
Only courts can convict.Cheers,
FT.
Cheers,
FT.
The term "convicted" is a tricky one anyway, especially when combined with road traffic law. To give an example I once saw someone getting placed on probation for careless driving. They also had their licence endorsed (this was pre penalty points). But at that time (1979) in Scotland a probation order in summary proceedings was made without proceeding to conviction (if you breached the PO you were brought back to court, convicted and sentenced).
So they had an endorsement on their licence in the same way as with any other disposal such as a fine. But they hadn't been convicted....................
Cheers,
FT.
There's no way that this company will do anything other than send letters to you. They have no incentive to contact DVLA, their only goal is financial and letters are cheap to send whereas every other avenue (including all those translation costs) is expensive and has no guarantee of a positive financial outcome for them. I'd mess them around a bit, ask them lots of questions using particularly old and colloquial English, waste their time a little, these companies are parasitic chancers who's business model is based on 1. Most people's fear of the ''what if..'' and 2. The 'fee' they add to the money they recover for the national governments.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but Google doesn't really yield a definitive answer.
Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
ked this year if he does not pay up 
Tom-3sdk2 said:
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but Google doesn't really yield a definitive answer.
Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
No problems, they did pursue me via dvla contact details, and as I do so much business in Norway I decided to pay the fine.Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
One of my pre sales engineers at the time was Norwegian,,and he checked with his local Norwegian government friends, who said they would seize my passport and driving licence the next time I entered Norway via the airport.
So I decided it was not worth the risk, and paid the fine.
Sorry I don't have any better news for you.
Tom-3sdk2 said:
what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
For all intents and purposes such a fine is unenforceable. There are far better things to do than send nearly six hundred quid to a foreign government for something like this.nigelpugh7 said:
Tom-3sdk2 said:
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but Google doesn't really yield a definitive answer.
Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
No problems, they did pursue me via dvla contact details, and as I do so much business in Norway I decided to pay the fine.Just had a similar occurrence to OP. Been on a driving holiday in Norway, we rented a car. My father was driving and we were stopped by an undercover police officer on a deserted wilderness road doing 110kph in an 80 zone (the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
please comments about not speeding etc aside (as said road was in northern Norway and was totally deserted, a similar road in any other country on Earth would carry a much higher limit), what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
One of my pre sales engineers at the time was Norwegian,,and he checked with his local Norwegian government friends, who said they would seize my passport and driving licence the next time I entered Norway via the airport.
So I decided it was not worth the risk, and paid the fine.
Sorry I don't have any better news for you.
caziques said:
For all intents and purposes such a fine is unenforceable. There are far better things to do than send nearly six hundred quid to a foreign government for something like this.
Our opinion exactly.It was in a hire car, anyone know about the risk of being "blacklisted" by hire companies in the future for not paying this? As he does do a lot of travelling abroad, and plans to go to more, non-Norwegian places, in the future
Tom-3sdk2 said:
(the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
No, they aren't, and no, they don't.Tom-3skd2 said:
He was issued a 6500KOR fine (£587!!!!) for this by the officer who took name and address and said he had to pay by giro within 14 days.
Sounds about right for Norway.Tom-3skd2 said:
please comments about not speeding etc aside
Are comments on lame "Wah! Unfair!" excuses welcome?Tom-3skd2 said:
what are the chances they will actively pursue this fine once we're back home? He plans to NEVER visit Norway again.
In a rental? I'm surprised the hire firm aren't just paying it with his credit card (plus admin fee)agtlaw said:
He made that up.
He had no reason to do so, and as a person I have known and worked with for over 18 years, I trust everything he says regarding his mother country.Also as Norway are a part of the Shengen agreement, I could not risk any endorsement or loss of my international driving licence.
nigelpugh7 said:
agtlaw said:
He made that up.
He had no reason to do so, and as a person I have known and worked with for over 18 years, I trust everything he says regarding his mother country.nigelpugh7 said:
Also as Norway are a part of the Shengen agreement, I could not risk any endorsement or loss of my international driving licence.
Shengen has nothing to do with driving licences.The UK is not a Schengen member.
We aren't talking about "International driving licences" (or, rather, IDPs), but about your normal UK licence.
Norway cannot endorse your UK licence.
TooMany2cvs said:
Shengen has nothing to do with driving licences.
The UK is not a Schengen member.
We aren't talking about "International driving licences" (or, rather, IDPs), but about your normal UK licence.
Norway cannot endorse your UK licence.
Appreciated, but it was points like this that concerned me.The UK is not a Schengen member.
We aren't talking about "International driving licences" (or, rather, IDPs), but about your normal UK licence.
Norway cannot endorse your UK licence.
"The UK has, however, opted into to the less controversial parts of the Schengen system, namely most of the criminal law and policing rules. A lot of those rules have been replaced by laws applying to the whole of the EU, for instance the European Arrest Warrant (replacing the Schengen extradition rules), which are instead the subject of a different set of opt-out rules for the UK. (That opt-out would also not be altered or rescinded if the UK decided to remain in the EU)."
Also my point was that I could not afford to be banned from driving in Norway, so for me it was not worth the risk.
nigelpugh7 said:
Appreciated, but it was points like this that concerned me.
"The UK has, however, opted into to the less controversial parts of the Schengen system, namely most of the criminal law and policing rules. A lot of those rules have been replaced by laws applying to the whole of the EU, for instance the European Arrest Warrant (replacing the Schengen extradition rules), which are instead the subject of a different set of opt-out rules for the UK. (That opt-out would also not be altered or rescinded if the UK decided to remain in the EU)."
Not even Norway would extradite you for a speeding ticket."The UK has, however, opted into to the less controversial parts of the Schengen system, namely most of the criminal law and policing rules. A lot of those rules have been replaced by laws applying to the whole of the EU, for instance the European Arrest Warrant (replacing the Schengen extradition rules), which are instead the subject of a different set of opt-out rules for the UK. (That opt-out would also not be altered or rescinded if the UK decided to remain in the EU)."
nigelpugh7 said:
Also my point was that I could not afford to be banned from driving in Norway, so for me it was not worth the risk.
Now THAT is an entirely different kettle of lutefisk.nigelpugh7 said:
He had no reason to do so, and as a person I have known and worked with for over 18 years, I trust everything he says regarding his mother country.
Also as Norway are a part of the Shengen agreement, I could not risk any endorsement or loss of my international driving licence.
Perhaps not. He still made it up though. Also as Norway are a part of the Shengen agreement, I could not risk any endorsement or loss of my international driving licence.
TooMany2cvs said:
In a rental? I'm surprised the hire firm aren't just paying it with his credit card (plus admin fee)
Maybe he has replaced or his card was re-issued therefore cannot use the old details.Quite useful that, as buy a lot on internet and from USA I contact bank every now and then and get new one issued.
I'm not going to comment on the rights or wrongs of speeding/speed limits, but I got stopped in Finland on my motorbike back in 2014. Frankly, I was riding like a tit in a 100kmh zone in the pissing rain. I was well north of 140kmh. I ended up with a fine and only being written up for 140kmh, rather than what was I was actually doing and having my bike impounded and licence seized at the roadside. My fine was a bit over €580.
I also got two parking tickets in Copenhagen this July, again on the bike. 510 Kroner (about sixty quid) a pop.
I paid the speeding and parking tickets, not because I was bothered about being arrested if I didn't and went back, but because I'd broken the law and been caught. I'm not being on my "high horse" here, but that's my personal view. I didn't not speed again on that or subsequent bike trips and I didn't not chance it with parking now and again. Certainly, if I'd paid for parking throughout the trip, it'd have cost me considerably more than £120. I was slightly arsed with the second parking ticket, because if parked in a motorcycle bay but hadn't read the sign properly - my own fault.
So personally, I'd always pay up. I can disagree with "low" limits all I like, but I know what the limits are (I have sat nav) and what the parking rules are. They're not that difficult to work out, particularly with smart phone apps that will read foreign languages in 'real time' just by pointing my phone camera at the sign.
Yes, it's annoying to have to pay fines, but I'm generally more annoyed at myself for not paying attention. Paying up saves me any worry about visiting places again if the fines remain unpaid.
I also got two parking tickets in Copenhagen this July, again on the bike. 510 Kroner (about sixty quid) a pop.
I paid the speeding and parking tickets, not because I was bothered about being arrested if I didn't and went back, but because I'd broken the law and been caught. I'm not being on my "high horse" here, but that's my personal view. I didn't not speed again on that or subsequent bike trips and I didn't not chance it with parking now and again. Certainly, if I'd paid for parking throughout the trip, it'd have cost me considerably more than £120. I was slightly arsed with the second parking ticket, because if parked in a motorcycle bay but hadn't read the sign properly - my own fault.
So personally, I'd always pay up. I can disagree with "low" limits all I like, but I know what the limits are (I have sat nav) and what the parking rules are. They're not that difficult to work out, particularly with smart phone apps that will read foreign languages in 'real time' just by pointing my phone camera at the sign.
Yes, it's annoying to have to pay fines, but I'm generally more annoyed at myself for not paying attention. Paying up saves me any worry about visiting places again if the fines remain unpaid.
TooMany2cvs said:
Tom-3sdk2 said:
(the speed limits in Norway are ridiculously low and change arbitrarily and constantly).
They seem pretty low to me. 80km/h on roads with less traffic, wider verges and better sight lines than what would be in NSL roads in the UK. Does that mean UK speed limits are too high?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff