Is truck "elephant racing" against the law?

[Flawless Victory]

Nigel Worc's said:

I have served, lived, worked, and driven in many many countries, none of these experiences will match up to you drove a lorry once or twice though !

I have driven, rode, and flown, many different makes and types of vehicles.

I do not hold lorries up with my car, but lorries do hold me up.

I move for faster traffic,when there is any, in my experience most lorries don't, else I wouldn't have to change speed because of them,........ in the UK, often.

I find driving around the mainland EU easier than driving around the mainland UK, because lorries dont hold me up anywhere near as often ....... why can't you accept this ?

Edited by Flawless Victory on Sunday 26th February 21:57

[heebeegeetee]

Nigel Worc's said:

I do not hold lorries up with my car, but lorries do hold me up.

Here we go again!

You're one of 15-20 million vehicles that take to the roads every day! If you use a car in the day time you're one of those (or us) that cause the roads to grind to a halt daily. If you put a car on a motorway in the daytime then you're one of those who has brought about the need for massive road building projects throughout the country. The road widening/improving schemes that have happened near places such as Luton or Sheffield or many others has brought years of misery through lengthy daily delays. The M25 becomes a car park on a regular basis.

It beggars belief that any sane man can make the statement you have just made! The trucks aren't causing the delays (accidents and break downs aside) because day or night, decade to decade, their numbers don't change.

Of course you are holding trucks up! When I was an owner driver I used to lose 1 hour out of every working day due to you lot. When I gave that up and went on the agencies and tramped up and down the country, like others at times I chose to work at night purely because you can't move in the daytime thanks to the millions of you lot all thinking you're not holding anyone up.

You've just gone and proven what I've been saying all along. You actually believe that it is others who are the problem.

(Here's a film of a cyclist passing the likes of you and me in our cars. It seems I am indeed alone in accepting responsibility for what I do. You can see the occasional goods vehicle that you claim you're not holding up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8t3tAlBl4I)

[GC8]

You need to see Nigels comments in context. Not too long ago he was whining about the M5 being closed after someone had died on the carriageway. Never mind that a person has died and the police cant be sure whether its a crimescene, never mind that person has been splattered across the carriageway even.

All that mattered to this self-centred wally was that he was held up. In light of this I just ignore his endless "Im more important, get out of my way" postings.

[Nigel Worc's]

GC8 said:

You need to see Nigels comments in context. Not too long ago he was whining about the M5 being closed after someone had died on the carriageway. Never mind that a person has died and the police cant be sure whether its a crimescene, never mind that person has been splattered across the carriageway even.

All that mattered to this self-centred wally was that he was held up. In light of this I just ignore his endless "Im more important, get out of my way" postings.

Indeed I couldn't care less that some selfish git had thrown himself onto the motorway, I don't, or didn't know him.

If he wanted to kill himself, buggar off and do it somewhere that doesn't inconvienence others.


I don't do all this false sentimental crap that seems the norm now.

You think that makes me selfish ? or, is it just honesty ?

[DAVEVO9]

I have posted this up before on related threads.

I know it's lazy to copy and paste it but I would only have wrote something which read the same.

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I am a truck driver..

I have posted this before on a few truck bashing threads..



I have been driving artics for over 26 yrs now..

The limiters are a pain I know, let me tell you all how I overcome this problem when I'm out on the road. It's really very simple..

1 If I come up behind another truck I will be able to tell if I am faster than them to overtake quick enough so as not to be sitting there for ages while I get past, ( on straight level road ) so I will wait until traffic is a fair way back behind me, ok fairly simple so far that one.

2 If the speed difference is small ( would mean side by side for too long overtaking ) I will wait for a hill/slight incline to come up to see how much they will slow down by, eg, they slow down to say 50mph, now I already know how my truck is pulling etc with whatever weight I have on it on the day, so I won't overtake then if traffic is too close behind me at that time. So, I now know the next hill/incline that comes up I can nail them pretty quick and I haven't got traffic behind me for ages while I overtake, job done!

3 Being overtaken. I am doing set speed ( 54/55/56 ) truck comes up behind me and starts to pull out ( this is what bugs you all and rightly so ) to avoid the truck taking ages to try and overtake me I will back off by a couple of mph, this will allow them to pass me fairly quickly and not have a load of traffic waiting behind for miles on end..

I do this because the truck overtaking is faster than me and is going to get past sooner or later, but i like the sooner bit! It doesn't cause me any grief, the truck gets past, the cars/traffic behind doesn't get held up too long, everyone wins!

So, to sum it all up, 2 hgv's straining to get past each other, just back off and let them past they are going to get past in the end, why make other traffic suffer?

I get really pi$$ed off when I see 2 trucks that won't "give in" to each other on the road!

It has nothing to do with the limiters, you just adjust your driving to suit



Please take into account this..

IMO the standard of driving ( trucks included ) has got worse over the last few years..

There is also a lot more traffic on the roads too.

We are all fighting for the same piece of tarmac and it's getting worse not better!

[GC8]

Nigel Worc's said:

You think that makes me selfish ? or, is it just honesty ?

I think that youre honest about being selfish.

I nearly got stuck on a moor in a snowstorm (zero visability, RWD & summer tyres and 3" of snow) after a road closure due to accident with no diversion and no obvious alternative route, last saturday evening. I didnt whine about it though because people were hurt and that appeared to be more important than my inconvenience.

Maybe its a measure of character?

[Nigel Worc's]

GC8 said:

I think that youre honest about being selfish.

I nearly got stuck on a moor in a snowstorm (zero visability, RWD & summer tyres and 3" of snow) after a road closure due to accident with no diversion and no obvious alternative route, last saturday evening. I didnt whine about it though because people were hurt and that appeared to be more important than my inconvenience.

Maybe its a measure of character?

I think about ten people a day die on our roads, plenty for you to sob about there, I couldn't care less, I don't know them.

An accident is one thing, suicide is a very different thing, I have zero sympathy with people who commit suicide.

[GC8]

You come across as a cock Nigel.

[Nigel Worc's]

GC8 said:

You come across as a cock Nigel.

and you come across as a self righteous bd that knows better than anyone else, shall we just agree to not like each other ?

[GC8]

I dont dislike you, I just think that you sound like a self-important and selfish man. Youre going to end up having a stroke man.

[Nigel Worc's]

GC8 said:

I dont dislike you, I just think that you sound like a self-important and selfish man. Youre going to end up having a stroke man.

Gosh, you can tell all that because I'm not keen on being held up and I think an experiment of restricting lorries to lane one during certain hours may help ?

And my family think I'm arrogant !

[jmorgan]

A better idea would be to get the rush hour mafia into buses and trains.

No, wait a minute, that will never happen. How about everyone just sit back and be happy your order for your flat screen or the parts needed to service your car so you can sit behind the lorries that are carrying your sandwiches for tomorrows lunch is going to happen and its an unforeseen consequence of the life we choose to lead? I mean, imagine the threads on PH cos the BLT had run out at Tesco.


Edit. Cup of coffee and breaky and off before the morning rush hour cars cause chaos.

[GC8]

Only common people shop in Tesco. The PH-massive shop at Waitrose.

[McHaggis]

GC8 said:

Only common people shop in Tesco. The PH-massive shop at Waitrose.

Only when the butler can't get to Fortnums due to traffic...

[GC8]

Funny you mention them, because I deleted F&M from my post.

In their minds theyre F&M customers...

[NoNeed]

Lorry drivers are sometimes deliberately obstructive, anybody who says differently has either lead a sheltered life or has not used the two lane section of the M42 in the last ten years.

[Flawless Victory]

NoNeed said:

Lorry drivers are sometimes deliberately obstructive, anybody who says differently has either lead a sheltered life or has not used the two lane section of the M42 in the last ten years.

Just like the deliberately obstructive car-drivers through the roadworks at Leeming Bar on the A1, which has a 50mph limit. L2 is width restricted so they sit in L1 at 40mph, knowing full well that trucks can't pass them for 7 miles.

[NoNeed]

Flawless Victory said:

NoNeed said:

Lorry drivers are sometimes deliberately obstructive, anybody who says differently has either lead a sheltered life or has not used the two lane section of the M42 in the last ten years.

Just like the deliberately obstructive car-drivers through the roadworks at Leeming Bar on the A1, which has a 50mph limit. L2 is width restricted so they sit in L1 at 40mph, knowing full well that trucks can't pass them for 7 miles.

I didn't say car driver arn't, I said lorry driver are. You seem to agree.

[Nigel Worc's]

NoNeed said:

Lorry drivers are sometimes deliberately obstructive, anybody who says differently has either lead a sheltered life or has not used the two lane section of the M42 in the last ten years.

Or many other two lane roads.

[NoNeed]

Nigel Worc's said:

NoNeed said:

Lorry drivers are sometimes deliberately obstructive, anybody who says differently has either lead a sheltered life or has not used the two lane section of the M42 in the last ten years.

Or many other two lane roads.

I just picked the one I have most experience on. But yes there are many many others.