Hull speed cameras sites 'picked to make most money'
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singlecoil said:
Pete317 said:
singlecoil said:
Pete317 said:
Either your comprehension skills are woefully lacking, or you're just trolling.
Either way, stay off my case!
To be fair to Robin, you should have made yourself clearer. Also, calling people you disagree with trolls is becoming somewhat passé.Either way, stay off my case!
It's neither funny nor clever, and it tends to derail discussions.
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
jm doc said:
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
singlecoil said:
jm doc said:
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
jm doc said:
singlecoil said:
jm doc said:
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
My guess is you are avoiding them because they destroy your argument.
jm doc said:
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
RobinOakapple said:
No, the question is why are you avoiding the questions, which are why does Germany have so many speed limits? What purpose do they serve?
My guess is you are avoiding them because they destroy your argument.
That would be my guess too. Maybe he will be back in a couple of days to avoid the questions again.My guess is you are avoiding them because they destroy your argument.
jm doc said:
People drive very fast. Death and destruction doesn't follow. Every single day. For decades.
What he meant was that on a small proportion of Germany's roads there's no speed limit, and that's been the case for a long time. All the users of those roads are used to it, they've grown up with it, and accident rates are sufficiently low that the status quo is acceptable for the time being. JM is trying to stretch that to cover all of Germany's roads but most of them actually have speed limits. Because they are necessary, because without them a lot of drivers would otherwise go faster than was good for them and for other road users.
RobinOakapple said:
jm doc said:
singlecoil said:
jm doc said:
Devil2575 said:
jm doc said:
We already have all the evidence we need to show that removing speed limits does not significantly impact on road safety. Every day in Germany thousands of people are doing in excess of double our national speed limit. Only one of the eight countries that share a border with it has lower accident rates (Netherlands). Who's the F&N in this debate??
What proportion of German roads have no limit? There is a vast difference between having no speed limits and having some unlimited sections of autobahn.
My guess is you are avoiding them because they destroy your argument.
I am not avoiding any questions, of course they have speed limits elsewhere on their roads otherwise they would never hear the end of it from people like you who have an overwhelmimg desire to be told what to do and appear to get a peculiar thrill from punishment when they accidentally transgress some arbitrarily chosen number on a pole whilst driving. (I have to take it, it makes me feel like a man...) (man up)
jm doc said:
I am not avoiding any questions, of course they have speed limits elsewhere on their roads otherwise they would never hear the end of it from people like you
jm doc said:
who have an overwhelmimg desire to be told what to do
I don't think he has a desire to be told what to do, just an acceptance that limits are required.jm doc said:
and appear to get a peculiar thrill from punishment when they accidentally transgress some arbitrarily chosen number on a pole whilst driving. (I have to take it, it makes me feel like a man...) (man up)
Now you are being a bit ridiculous.For the record I think motorway and most dual carriageway limits are too low, town limits are fine as is and single carriageway limits are probably about right, though there are many A roads I would like to be able to legally travel faster on.
Dave Finney said:
jm doc said:
The German ... motorways (that have no speed limit) ... have the second lowest (accident) rates in continental Europe
Is that true? Could you provide links to evidence for that please? 
HTH
jm doc said:
I am not avoiding any questions, of course they have speed limits elsewhere on their roads otherwise they would never hear the end of it from people like you who have an overwhelmimg desire to be told what to do and appear to get a peculiar thrill from punishment when they accidentally transgress some arbitrarily chosen number on a pole whilst driving. (I have to take it, it makes me feel like a man...) (man up)
There's really nothing there that a sensible person from either side of the speed camera debate could engage with.
If you do it safely and with due respect to others on the road, why shouldn't anyone go fast? That's the point, the limits are arbitrary at best, and set to the lowest common denominator or with one eye on the revenue they could generate by posting an inappropriate limit and installing cameras or scamera vans
daytona355 said:
If you do it safely and with due respect to others on the road, why shouldn't anyone go fast?
That's exactly right and what pretty much all pistonheads do, they also realise we do have limits and if they get caught exceeding them then it is nobodies fault but there own.It doesn't matter if the camera van is using a Klingon cloaking device or hiding up a tree, it's the risk you have to take if you want to go fast.
daytona355 said:
If you do it safely and with due respect to others on the road, why shouldn't anyone go fast?
No reason at all, and it is what many/most of us do.
daytona355 said:
That's the point, the limits are arbitrary at best, and set to the lowest common denominator
Again I agree with you, at least on the lowest common denominator part, the limits are though are generally set in a generic manner, type of road determines the limit.
daytona355 said:
or with one eye on the revenue they could generate by posting an inappropriate limit and installing cameras or scamera vans
There could be an element of that, but also the sites can and it would appear from the report in another thread are selected based on where there have been accidents, and I am sure are also sited where they think people might be tempted to exceed the limit.Where we continue to disagree though, is your assertion that it is a scam.
daytona355 said:
If you do it safely and with due respect to others on the road, why shouldn't anyone go fast? That's the point, the limits are arbitrary at best, and set to the lowest common denominator or with one eye on the revenue they could generate by posting an inappropriate limit and installing cameras or scamera vans
In your conditional (if) scenario above, who is it that assesses whether or not the conditions have been met? Is it the driver himself? If so, how do we decide that the driver in question is capable of making that judgement?I'm sure that every owner of a performance car would declare himself up to the job, but the truth is that some of them are deluding themselves.
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