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When I said 'specific', I was talking about the actual text I've used to 'deny ineptness'. You won't find any which is why you've not been able to quote any. I think you're confusing me challenging generalisations and other aspects which evidence and simple logic (such as you misusing the word 'lawless' or making up shift patterns with massive time gaps) doesn't support with 'denying ineptness'.
I've not said any of the negative anecdotes written on here are incorrect or didn't occur. If I have, please show where I have.
You complain of the statistics I quote, but some of the data I use, should you care to understand it, actually supports your position that there are unsatisfactory outcomes / experiences. When X % people are satisfied, Y % are not-satisfied, for example.
I've not said any of the negative anecdotes written on here are incorrect or didn't occur. If I have, please show where I have.
You complain of the statistics I quote, but some of the data I use, should you care to understand it, actually supports your position that there are unsatisfactory outcomes / experiences. When X % people are satisfied, Y % are not-satisfied, for example.
V6Pushfit said:
Because your and others approach to 'over the counter' experiences is that they can't have happened because of one or ideally all of the following:
1. Computer statistics say no
2. To suggest ineptness must refer to 'all police forces throughout the entire UK' and must therefore be wrong, and the fact it is area specific ignored.
3. They must be made up or imagined by a number of people. Despite them hardly knowing each other and having no possible reason to collude
4. Any adverse comments regarding the way cases are handled must be rebuffed by 'not us guv' you're just jokers'
It's because they're so used to being able to exert power, the frustration of being able to silence people on here boils over. I've had a dispute with a copper in the street before ( I'd been assaulted in a club and he didn't want to know) during which he completely ignored anything I said and monotonously repeated that he'd lock me up if I didn't stop talking to him.1. Computer statistics say no
2. To suggest ineptness must refer to 'all police forces throughout the entire UK' and must therefore be wrong, and the fact it is area specific ignored.
3. They must be made up or imagined by a number of people. Despite them hardly knowing each other and having no possible reason to collude
4. Any adverse comments regarding the way cases are handled must be rebuffed by 'not us guv' you're just jokers'
I expect the fact that 20% of officers (there'll be more that don't admit it) feel they are bullied causes this sort of behaviour. People who are bullied are more than likely going to take this out on someone in a more vulnerable position (with less power) than them.
La Liga said:
Naturally.
Which specific people refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers on here, BTW?
I don't think you do (accept it - I've said that several times)Which specific people refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers on here, BTW?
Would you consider the officer in my recent cas was trained incorrectly?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 1st June 14:35
bmw535i said:
La Liga said:
Naturally.
Which specific people refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers on here, BTW?
I don't think you do (accept it - I've said that several times)Which specific people refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers on here, BTW?
Basically, it's just one of a few generalised comments you can't back-up.
La Liga said:
cited a quote where I said I did not dismiss incompetent officers or incompetent work. In order for not to dismiss it I must accept it occurs, or there would be nothing to dismiss, would there? Obvious stuff.
Basically, it's just one of a few generalised comments you can't back-up.
Ok so once again, you accept there are incompetent officers. Once again, it's a start.Basically, it's just one of a few generalised comments you can't back-up.
And once again:
bmw535i said:
Would you consider the officer in my recent cas was trained incorrectly?
bmw535i said:
Ok so once again, you accept there are incompetent officers. Once again, it's a start.
So now you've finally figured out it's not me, who is it who is you refer in this quote?La Liga said:
bmw535i said:
It's just people's opinions based on their experience isn't it. 
Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right?
Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
Which people? A speculative group you can take an adversarial position against? Why not from the other side? Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right? Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
La Liga said:
bmw535i said:
Ok so once again, you accept there are incompetent officers. Once again, it's a start.
So now you've finally figured out it's not me, who is it who is you refer in this quote?La Liga said:
bmw535i said:
It's just people's opinions based on their experience isn't it. Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right?
Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
Which people? A speculative group you can take an adversarial position against? Why not from the other side? Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right? Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
It was you, but you've now said you do admit some are incompetent etc. Are you able to move on from this?
So my most recent case? Poor training?
ker as was mentioned earlier - I guess we'll never know.
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