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zarjaz1991 said:
How on Earth do you deduce that from my post? I was never snotty or rude to anyone.
From you saying "the police don't take kindly to having their authority challenged, especially from a 20 yr old" makes me think you aren't the kind of person that answers "yes sir" and goes on their way.La Liga said:
a lot of rubbish
I did provide your colleagues with the video clips I had. Video at property - shows him carrying out said illegal activity and then approaching my car and attempting to force entry. I put my camera down and as I put on seatbelt to drive off, he returns with metal bar. You can see the metal bar lying pn the floor in the video.
The video I posted on liveleak.
Video At traffic lights - shows him attempting to sode swipe me causing me to brake to avoid a collision.
Nothing in the videos were deemed worthy of even having words with the chap which is exactly what you think.
They must be doing a fantastic job in Hendon if the police regard the behaviour in that video and the others I provided them with as acceptable in mordern day Britain.
Eclassy said:
Nothing in the videos were deemed worthy of even having words with the chap which is exactly what you think.
Nothing I've seen (the video) is worthy. I add a large pinch of salt to your anecdotal accounts since you judge that the person is walking "menacingly", along with the other descriptions you've attributed to it. Such descriptions lead me to conclude to your judgement is way off the realities of what amounts to a crime. The grossly disproportional amount of police interaction you and your friends have apparently had makes me question the validity of your own accounts, too. I think you only managed to capture the non-event, hence why it's the only one uploaded.
Zoobeef said:
From you saying "the police don't take kindly to having their authority challenged, especially from a 20 yr old" makes me think you aren't the kind of person that answers "yes sir" and goes on their way.
That refers to the fact that I had earlier successfully complained about them. That is a 20 year old kid successfully challenging the authority of the police to simply ride roughshod over the rules, and they did NOT like it.zarjaz1991 said:
That refers to the fact that I had earlier successfully complained about them. That is a 20 year old kid successfully challenging the authority of the police to simply ride roughshod over the rules, and they did NOT like it.
Was it the same officers?People seem to think police sit about and mark peoples cards because they have made a complaint against an officer. I have no idea if someone has made a complaint about police previously, neither do i care as it has no bearing on how i deal with them.
Greendubber said:
Was it the same officers?
People seem to think police sit about and mark peoples cards because they have made a complaint against an officer. I have no idea if someone has made a complaint about police previously, neither do i care as it has no bearing on how i deal with them.
Same group of officers yes. Also fairly small town so quite easy to get others on board.People seem to think police sit about and mark peoples cards because they have made a complaint against an officer. I have no idea if someone has made a complaint about police previously, neither do i care as it has no bearing on how i deal with them.
Complaining in the first place was a mistake. They will always get you in the end. Next time I'm "wronged" by them I will just put it down to experience.
Greendubber said:
Was it the same officers?
People seem to think police sit about and mark peoples cards because they have made a complaint against an officer. I have no idea if someone has made a complaint about police previously, neither do i care as it has no bearing on how i deal with them.
What~? You mean you don't all compile an identity hit-listPeople seem to think police sit about and mark peoples cards because they have made a complaint against an officer. I have no idea if someone has made a complaint about police previously, neither do i care as it has no bearing on how i deal with them.
of the 30000 or so complaints made each year just in case you run into them on the roads?
Surely you actively look for the roughly 790 complainants in your local Froce area that averages out to to? Or at very least memorise the mug-shots, licence plates, home / work addresses and routes between of the 96 or so upheld complaints (on average) in your Force area???
(approximate figures taken from 2011/12 statistics)
Thinking about the horn blaring BMW driving Train Driver. Surely the police would be going slowly and repeatedly stopping and/or slowing if they were looking for a specific address, incident or person? If the incident that they were looking for was that important how come they had time to confront Mr Samara and drag him off to a police station? Unless they weren't pausing or slowing to look for an incident and were just doing it to brake test Mr Samara or to goad him into reacting?
Perhaps we'd have known what was going on if the CPS had taken it to court?
Perhaps we'd have known what was going on if the CPS had taken it to court?
carinaman said:
Thinking about the horn blaring BMW driving Train Driver. Surely the police would be going slowly and repeatedly stopping and/or slowing if they were looking for a specific address, incident or person? If the incident that they were looking for was that important how come they had time to confront Mr Samara and drag him off to a police station? Unless they weren't pausing or slowing to look for an incident and were just doing it to brake test Mr Samara or to goad him into reacting?
Perhaps we'd have known what was going on if the CPS had taken it to court?
If we were driving slowly, constantly stopping and starting, looking for a person or an address then we'd generally wave any cars that were behind us past.Perhaps we'd have known what was going on if the CPS had taken it to court?
Bigends said:
If we were driving slowly, constantly stopping and starting, looking for a person or an address then we'd generally wave any cars that were behind us past.
I suppose he could have been that close to the back of the van that he didn't spot the waved arm from the window?But it looks like a nice car, that's his and not his employer's and you'd think a Train Driver would be more circumspect.
An ex was dawdling around some town centre looking into shop windows one evening en route to a restaurant. As I was in the passenger seat I mentioned that it was a bit inconsiderate to the driver of the car behind. I didn't mention that she should be looking where was she was going rather than sideways through the car at shop windows. She replied 'Blow him, he can wait'. Some people aren't as nice as they appear. A little homage to a flower picking Benny Hill there.
Variomatic said:
What~? You mean you don't all compile an identity hit-list
of the 30000 or so complaints made each year just in case you run into them on the roads?
Surely you actively look for the roughly 790 complainants in your local Froce area that averages out to to? Or at very least memorise the mug-shots, licence plates, home / work addresses and routes between of the 96 or so upheld complaints (on average) in your Force area???
(approximate figures taken from 2011/12 statistics)
No, no we don't of the 30000 or so complaints made each year just in case you run into them on the roads?
Surely you actively look for the roughly 790 complainants in your local Froce area that averages out to to? Or at very least memorise the mug-shots, licence plates, home / work addresses and routes between of the 96 or so upheld complaints (on average) in your Force area???
(approximate figures taken from 2011/12 statistics)
La Liga said:
...with video evidence of him approaching you in a calm manner and asking you to open your window.
To be fair to Eclassy, do people tend to randomly stop their cars in the middle of the road like that, blocking traffic so they can have a calm, reasonable discussion? I think you and I both know the answer to that, regardless of what the CPS can and can't prove.
Eclassy does talk a lot of b
ks on here (sorry dude, but you do), but I also happen to think his original post about that guy in the video & the whole situation is somewhat underplayed by the BiB on here due to the way he posts. IMHO.
Centurion07 said:
To be fair to Eclassy, do people tend to randomly stop their cars in the middle of the road like that, blocking traffic so they can have a calm, reasonable discussion?
I think you and I both know the answer to that, regardless of what the CPS can and can't prove.
Eclassy does talk a lot of bks on here (sorry dude, but you do), but I also happen to think his original post about that guy in the video & the whole situation is somewhat underplayed by the BiB on here due to the way he posts. IMHO.
The bloke is probably a dick and that stop doesn't put him in a good light. He may have committed an offence at some point (before or after that video). However, it fundamentally appears to be one word against the other, with a short corroborative video that does as much to paint the man as calm and reasonable as it does anything untoward. I think you and I both know the answer to that, regardless of what the CPS can and can't prove.
Eclassy does talk a lot of b
ks on here (sorry dude, but you do), but I also happen to think his original post about that guy in the video & the whole situation is somewhat underplayed by the BiB on here due to the way he posts. IMHO.The end goal is beyond reasonable doubt. The police are going to have to get much better at 'cutting losers' if they want to keep their heads above the water and not waste time on things that aren't going anywhere. This sounds like one of those necessary decisions.
zarjaz1991 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Dear God! Are you the PH resident gangstaman?
Fair enough. Coppers ain't your mate but they're not that ominous. They're just guys doing their job. An element of that job is that if they feel a crime has been commited their response is to investigate, gather evidence and present that evidence to the procurator fiscal or CPS.
If you've done nought then very rarely have you got ought to worry about and if you've done ought you either get a lawyer to act in your interests or if you have a bit of nous about you act without legal advice and as the situation dictates you lie or say nothing in the hope of getting away with your crime or fess up in the hope of mitigating circumstances either getting you off thanks to the officer's disgretion or reduced consquences should the matter go to court.
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".Fair enough. Coppers ain't your mate but they're not that ominous. They're just guys doing their job. An element of that job is that if they feel a crime has been commited their response is to investigate, gather evidence and present that evidence to the procurator fiscal or CPS.
If you've done nought then very rarely have you got ought to worry about and if you've done ought you either get a lawyer to act in your interests or if you have a bit of nous about you act without legal advice and as the situation dictates you lie or say nothing in the hope of getting away with your crime or fess up in the hope of mitigating circumstances either getting you off thanks to the officer's disgretion or reduced consquences should the matter go to court.
Extremely naive I'm sorry to say.
Try telling that to all the victims of police miscarriages of justice over the years.
With all the talk of corruption I couldn't help but post this video. Undercover filming of the police in action.
Quite saddening watching
It'd be reassuring for our p'heads bib to tell us that a lot has changed since this video was made.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlnhjDX30E
Quite saddening watching
It'd be reassuring for our p'heads bib to tell us that a lot has changed since this video was made.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlnhjDX30E
Some police are helpful
Like the one who took an interest im me and my mate for years after his mate
Was murdered.
He kept takimg us to Man U to watch them. And it kept us both out of trouble
Amd of couse there are those that are rotten apples.
Whoch Gos for any profession.
Like the ones who couldn't be arsed when wives shop window went in on xmas day night
Along with quite a few other shops
Personally speaking I know they are dealing with peasants all day
But in my dealings with them I haven't found them to be much good
Said it before will say it again
Got to be able to look after/ handle yourself because whole criminal syst is not serving public well enough
And is not adequate, and also nhs is ruined so don't be ill
Like the one who took an interest im me and my mate for years after his mate
Was murdered.
He kept takimg us to Man U to watch them. And it kept us both out of trouble
Amd of couse there are those that are rotten apples.
Whoch Gos for any profession.
Like the ones who couldn't be arsed when wives shop window went in on xmas day night
Along with quite a few other shops
Personally speaking I know they are dealing with peasants all day
But in my dealings with them I haven't found them to be much good
Said it before will say it again
Got to be able to look after/ handle yourself because whole criminal syst is not serving public well enough
And is not adequate, and also nhs is ruined so don't be ill
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