Driver panicked when spotted camera van
Discussion
Red 4 said:
Exige77 said:
These vans are put in locations where you can't see them until it's too late. Nothing to do with lack of observation.
As some have said, if the Talevan had been "another vehicle" about to pull out our Porsche driving friend he was more than able to stop.
He was going too fast and has been punished.
Ex77
It looks like a nice straight road to me without many places to hide a van. We'll have to disagree on the drivers observation skills.As some have said, if the Talevan had been "another vehicle" about to pull out our Porsche driving friend he was more than able to stop.
He was going too fast and has been punished.
Ex77
As for being able to stop if another vehicle pulled out I'd say it's debateable. The driver almost binned it onto the grass when he braked. Poor car control following an over-reaction. Did you also notice the reactions of the following motorcyclists (who were under tuition) when he braked ?
I'm not disputing the punishment. It was fully deserved imo.
Top marks to Porsche though for making some very good brakes (even if they did lock up momentarily.)
Ex77
oldsoak said:
14-7 said:
No, we live in a world where nothing that we do is our fault.
It can't be the drivers fault he lamped his brakes on due to seeing the camera van. The actual operative in the camera van is responsible for that. After all, he had his feet at the controls.
When will this f
k wittery end! How can someone else be responsible for your own driving! 
It'll end when all the feckwits pile into that wall you and the rest of us are banging our heads on ...lets just hope no-one is standing in front of it when they doIt can't be the drivers fault he lamped his brakes on due to seeing the camera van. The actual operative in the camera van is responsible for that. After all, he had his feet at the controls.
When will this f
k wittery end! How can someone else be responsible for your own driving! 
.And if I am given the level of stupidity displayed nowadays I can blame someone else.
I may have been driving but I didn't slam the brakes on and lock up, I didn't speed, well, they made me speed due to having to overtake, but it wasn't my fault. They made me do it therefore I am not to blame or responsible for my actions at all in any event, way, shape or form therefore should be allowed to walk away without blame then b
h and moan about it on an internet forum and make myself sound like an absolute driving God who is far above mere mortals.Exige77 said:
Just to be clear, I believe every driver is 100% responsible for the actions.
If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
So you'd be OK with somebody shutting their eyes & driving through a red light at 60mph ?If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
If they get away with it there is nothing wrong with the behaviour & it therefore needs no discouragement ?
NWTony said:
To be fair I've been caught behind escorted learner bikers and the instructors, presuming that's what they are, deliberately drive in the centre to make passing difficult / impossible. It was very frustrating on roads I could have been enjoying myself on...
That's very much what you're supposed to do.Exige77 said:
Just to be clear, I believe every driver is 100% responsible for the actions.
If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
So you are happy with people doing burnouts next to you at the supermarket? Or 130mph in a 30 zone past the school your child attends school at home time? Or running over the pavement to park, missing your old mum...If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
Exaggerated I know, but where do you draw a line between punishing careless and punishing "nothing happened"?
Red 4 said:
Exige77 said:
These vans are put in locations where you can't see them until it's too late. Nothing to do with lack of observation.
As some have said, if the Talevan had been "another vehicle" about to pull out our Porsche driving friend he was more than able to stop.
He was going too fast and has been punished.
Ex77
It looks like a nice straight road to me without many places to hide a van. We'll have to disagree on the drivers observation skills.As some have said, if the Talevan had been "another vehicle" about to pull out our Porsche driving friend he was more than able to stop.
He was going too fast and has been punished.
Ex77
As for being able to stop if another vehicle pulled out I'd say it's debateable. The driver almost binned it onto the grass when he braked. Poor car control following an over-reaction. Did you also notice the reactions of the following motorcyclists (who were under tuition) when he braked ?
I'm not disputing the punishment. It was fully deserved imo.
Top marks to Porsche though for making some very good brakes (even if they did lock up momentarily.)
However, I'd disagree that it's any more dangerous than a 60mph overtake on that same piece of road.
Looking at the footage, I assume that the D reading is distance in feet, which shows 1396 at the top speed just before he moves back into his lane. This places the camera van in a small lay-by at around that distance, so fits. It's not the worst observation in the world to spot a van parked 430 meters ahead - certainly enough time to react if it was a genuine hazard and avoid.
It's only guestimates, but I'd say he started the overtake at the second junction of the two and completed 150m later.
The braking leaves a little to be desired, but I've had some cars that tram line under hard braking. To say that he nearly binned it is a bit OTT.
(Yes, lots of assumptions
)Robb F said:
NWTony said:
To be fair I've been caught behind escorted learner bikers and the instructors, presuming that's what they are, deliberately drive in the centre to make passing difficult / impossible. It was very frustrating on roads I could have been enjoying myself on...
That's very much what you're supposed to do.Strangely when I see a biker on country roads I pull far to the left, even in my car I can't stay with a sports bike in a straight line so I let them go, figuring that some deccelaration for 10 seconds will give them ample distance so when we get to the twisties the cars superior handling won't put me all over them.
Grenoble said:
Exige77 said:
Just to be clear, I believe every driver is 100% responsible for the actions.
If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
So you are happy with people doing burnouts next to you at the supermarket? Or 130mph in a 30 zone past the school your child attends school at home time? Or running over the pavement to park, missing your old mum...If they make a mistake it's their fault. Nowhere to hide.
If nothing happens then "nothing happened".
No amount of bleeting will make it have happened.
Ex77
Exaggerated I know, but where do you draw a line between punishing careless and punishing "nothing happened"?
If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
NWTony said:
Yes I imagine it is deliberate. Frustrating nonetheless though, I could have been well past and distant if not for them riding in the middle of the road to hold me up. I'm not sure what gives them the right to deliberately hold up traffic even for learners, it's equivalent to the lorry drivers that park in the outside lane when it closes ahead to force people to queue behind them.
Strangely when I see a biker on country roads I pull far to the left, even in my car I can't stay with a sports bike in a straight line so I let them go, figuring that some deccelaration for 10 seconds will give them ample distance so when we get to the twisties the cars superior handling won't put me all over them.
Strangely when I see a biker on country roads I pull far to the left, even in my car I can't stay with a sports bike in a straight line so I let them go, figuring that some deccelaration for 10 seconds will give them ample distance so when we get to the twisties the cars superior handling won't put me all over them.
14-7 said:
SystemParanoia said:
the only problem there was the scamera van
Only for those speeding.The van didn't make them brake. They did that on their own.
If you aren't willing to accept the consequence then don't commit the crime.
f
k em 
Exige77 said:
Like I said the driver is responsible for his actions.
If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
Can you possibly expand on your "nothing happened" description - I might have missed something? ta...If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
Skip to 1min 55secs for some proper panic braking
Skip to 1min 55secs for some proper panic braking
Grenoble said:
Exige77 said:
Like I said the driver is responsible for his actions.
If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
Can you possibly expand on your "nothing happened" description - I might have missed something? ta...If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
Posters are bleating on (in this thread and others) about Speed by itself being dangerous. In some cases that might be true but not in this case. If the scamera van had not been there, the Porker driver would have been on his way and no one would have been affected.
The motorcyclists could continue their lesson and the Porker driver could have continued his drive.
That was not the case as is well documented.
In the hierarchy of crimes this was not the "crime of the century" as many would have you believe.
Ex77
Exige77 said:
Grenoble said:
Exige77 said:
Like I said the driver is responsible for his actions.
If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
Can you possibly expand on your "nothing happened" description - I might have missed something? ta...If he does any of the above he (or She) should be taken off the roads. There is adequate legislation to stop this. In the examples you mention above "Something Happened".
The Porker driver didn't do any of the above though did he ?
Not a very good example then.
Ex77
Posters are bleating on (in this thread and others) about Speed by itself being dangerous. In some cases that might be true but not in this case. If the scamera van had not been there, the Porker driver would have been on his way and no one would have been affected.
The motorcyclists could continue their lesson and the Porker driver could have continued his drive.
That was not the case as is well documented.
In the hierarchy of crimes this was not the "crime of the century" as many would have you believe.
Ex77
So nothing happened this time, it does not make it safe. You can spend your life overtaking on blind bends, you may even get away with it a lot, but that does not mean it is safe.
NWTony said:
Yes I imagine it is deliberate. Frustrating nonetheless though, I could have been well past and distant if not for them riding in the middle of the road to hold me up.
Was the road not two lanes wide then, or are you allergic to using the other side of the road for overtaking? It's a good job that you never need to overtake anything wider than a bike.Laplace said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
Skip to 1min 55secs for some proper panic braking
2:20 Bike doing 130mph!!! bSkip to 1min 55secs for some proper panic braking
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