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Say what you like deltafox, your posts do you no credit whatsoever. You are ignorant of many things and much of what you are ignorant about is life in general.
You have now resorted to a plethora of jibes and spiteful insults based on nothing other than your contempt for what I have posted.
I have stated that you are a bigot. That is proved by the nature of the definition you have so kindly posted and you fit it like a glove
That is not an insult it is a fact. I have also referred to you as a troglodite. That was a metaphor aimed at you as someone who lives in the times of the cave dwellers.
You however stoop to personal insults and then complain about foul language! Is the use of foul language in keeping with your view that I am Mr PCPC?
Deltafox, I meet people like you many times in the day and night and thankfully I have the power to lock them up, even if it is only for a few short hours!
There is no point in continuing any debate on the subject with you. Anyone else is welcome to continue it but I am afraid you are an irrelevance from this point onwards.
>> Edited by gone on Monday 25th July 18:28
You have now resorted to a plethora of jibes and spiteful insults based on nothing other than your contempt for what I have posted.
I have stated that you are a bigot. That is proved by the nature of the definition you have so kindly posted and you fit it like a glove
That is not an insult it is a fact. I have also referred to you as a troglodite. That was a metaphor aimed at you as someone who lives in the times of the cave dwellers.
You however stoop to personal insults and then complain about foul language! Is the use of foul language in keeping with your view that I am Mr PCPC?
Deltafox, I meet people like you many times in the day and night and thankfully I have the power to lock them up, even if it is only for a few short hours!
There is no point in continuing any debate on the subject with you. Anyone else is welcome to continue it but I am afraid you are an irrelevance from this point onwards.
>> Edited by gone on Monday 25th July 18:28
-ing to we are all the same color. 
gone said:
Say what you like deltafox, your posts do you no credit whatsoever.
That would be a shame if true, as they are largely made with sincerity and concern for things i believe in.
gone said:
You are ignorant of many things and much of what you are ignorant about is life in general.
Ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is forever.
gone said:
You have now resorted to a plethora of jibes and spiteful insults based on nothing other than your contempt for what I have posted.
Check out the posting timeline for who insulted who and when......and stop acting so hypocritical.
gone said:
I have stated that you are a bigot. That is proved by the nature of the definition you have so kindly posted and you fit it like a glove
You obviously havent read that definition it applies to you -adherence to an unreasonable view..
gone said:
That is not an insult it is a fact. I have also referred to you as a troglodite. That is a metaphor for someone who lives in the times of the cave dwellers.
Now youre making excuses by trying to defend your insults, insisting theyre facts.
gone said:
You however stoop to personal insults and then complain about foul language! Is the use of foul language in keeping with your view that I am Mr PCPC?
In the PC utopia youre helping to build, insults arent to be tolerated...you dare not call someone fat for example. I fear you may fail the PC entrance exam.
gone said:
Deltafox, I meet people like you many times in the day and night and thankfully I have the power to lock them up, even if it is only for a few short hours!
Wow! A genuine hero you are. Locking away people who you dont agree with. A real defender of the PC faith.
I would assume that by "people like me" youre making a comparison with car thieves, drunks, rapists, murderers, chavscum, shoplifters and other assorted general nasties?
Where's your proof for such a statement?
No crimimnal records here apart from one: Cliff Richards greatest hits volume 27.....lock me away now for the safety of the public!!!
gone said:
There is no point in continuing any debate on the subject with you. Anyone else is welcome to continue it but I am afraid you are an irrelevance from this point onwards.
A sure sign of an argument lost.
I would think BNP membership ist verboten because of the extreme views it holds - it ist not for a policman who has to enforce law in multicultural society as these extreme views will cloud judgement - und this was evident in "Secret Policeman" - und ist reported in papers still that "police still have internal problems mit racism" - und obviously racist officers need weeding out - colours judgement. (nd no pun intended 
) Germany? You get locked up for displaying any Nazi or far right emblems - due to painful history.
Masons? They have to declare this membership. Personally I think any organisation which bans wimmin ist a
- we need to know what you lot get up to 
Und wearing a pinny und having funny handshakes and so on ... ist not exactly my idea of a butch bit of rough. 
GAYALP? Ooooooh - well dearie - can see why they may need a bit of hay-alp! Ist not easy when straight tough bloke like lieber gone ist just not turned on by flirty advances.
Association for Black Officers though .(und Oriental ones??? what about these?) .. perhaps they should - in a politically corrrect society - be renamed Multicultural Association of Police Officers.
) Germany? You get locked up for displaying any Nazi or far right emblems - due to painful history. Masons? They have to declare this membership. Personally I think any organisation which bans wimmin ist a
- we need to know what you lot get up to Und wearing a pinny und having funny handshakes and so on ... ist not exactly my idea of a butch bit of rough. GAYALP? Ooooooh - well dearie - can see why they may need a bit of hay-alp!
Ist not easy when straight tough bloke like lieber gone ist just not turned on by flirty advances. Association for Black Officers though .(und Oriental ones??? what about these?) .. perhaps they should - in a politically corrrect society - be renamed Multicultural Association of Police Officers.
who cares what' it's called? Thats half the problems right there. Lets all argue about we're called.
I have to say before I read this entire post I'd have held some of DeltaF's opinions. anything which segregates would, in my mind, continue to keep the 'we're different' thing alive.
However....surely the point of a forum like this is to educate. Why read forums if you're never going to change your view? and really...to get to the point of arguing 'my terminaology over yours' is pretty weak!
Thanks for the information Gone and SBM.....very educational and made me think about thinfs I didnt previously understand (maybe just shows that unles you're in a situation you actually CAN'T understand)
I have to say before I read this entire post I'd have held some of DeltaF's opinions. anything which segregates would, in my mind, continue to keep the 'we're different' thing alive.
However....surely the point of a forum like this is to educate. Why read forums if you're never going to change your view? and really...to get to the point of arguing 'my terminaology over yours' is pretty weak!
Thanks for the information Gone and SBM.....very educational and made me think about thinfs I didnt previously understand (maybe just shows that unles you're in a situation you actually CAN'T understand)
nightmare said:
who cares what' it's called? Thats half the problems right there. Lets all argue about we're called.
I have to say before I read this entire post I'd have held some of DeltaF's opinions. anything which segregates would, in my mind, continue to keep the 'we're different' thing alive.
However....surely the point of a forum like this is to educate. Why read forums if you're never going to change your view? and really...to get to the point of arguing 'my terminaology over yours' is pretty weak!
Thanks for the information Gone and SBM.....very educational and made me think about thinfs I didnt previously understand (maybe just shows that unles you're in a situation you actually CAN'T understand)
No problem.
The BPA was brought about to address the problems that black and Asian officers and their partners come across from within their own communities as well as within the police community. Belonging to the BPA does not give any member an advantage over a white officer who is not. There is no extra pay, there is no advantage on application for specialism or promotion.
Black officers are dispersed widely and sparingly amongst white officers because there are proprtionately few of them. If a black or Asian officer has a specific problem in relation to an ethnic or cultural problem which he/she needs to address, they need a point of contact from someone who may have encountered that difficulty without having to individually find every black officer at every station and ring around until he/she finds someone who can help or advise. The same applies to those who are in the Lesbian and Gay Police association.
This is time consuming and sole destroying for an officer with a problem who cannot find someone to talk to with relevant experience. White officers may be able to give advice but they cannot possibly understand the problems encountered in relation to race, religion or customs unless they come from that background.
The BPA and L&GPA were formed for officers who belong to those groups so that they can have a common point of contact or focus on the difficulties that many encounter from their own communities and from within the service itself on occasions. It is far easier to call the chair of the BPA who will be able to direct the person with the problem to someone who has the experience and the solution to deal with it.
I do not know of any white officer who has an issue with the concept of the BPA or the work they do.
The crux is treating people with fairness regarding individual need. You can treat people equally but that does not necessarily mean that the decisions are fair.
The Police Service is supposed to reflect the society we live in. By treating people equally, those from a small minority will not necessarily have the same opportunities as everyone else. By recognising individual needs, the balance is redressed and will allow those from minorities to compete on an equal footing.
Positve discrimination is addressed by the law. It is illegal to practice positive discrimination. The punishments are the same for any discriminatory behaviour. It is not illegal to assist by extra training or mentoring to those from under represented groups to allow them to decide whether they want to apply for specific posts or specialisms. That is all positive action is.
From the point of application for the post or job, the applicant is assessed on the same critera as anyone else who has applied regardless of their background. There are no favours for those belonging to minority groups.
You cannot join the BPA to get accepted into the Police. The entrance requirements are the same for all regardless of sex, skin colour, religion and sexual orientation. the BPA have no power to influence who is accepted on application to the Police service.
The work of the BPA has done much to expose the difficulties that black and Asian officers suffer to those like me who did not understand about how these officers felt.
Today, I had a chat with an inspector who I have known for a couple of years, who incidentally is black.
Having not had any direct experience with the BPA I asked him why it was necessary to have, and explained this forum and thread in particular.
He echo'ed a lot of what we have said, but primarily it is a place where people can discuss matters of cultural similarity, and problems that may arise therein.
For instance, "what happens when the black people in a community single you out for racial abuse, primarily as you are in a white mans job"
Now, as a white bloke, I don't have a clue. I could explain it the other way round though.
It's also a sense of belonging, as is the gay and lesbian association. Which - to take a random wander off track, a colleague of mine was our area representative. The question, without fail that he was asked every time by virtually everyone." Well, are you gay then?" Surely, it doesn't make a difference, but it obviously does, in a way that being a black police officer does to some people from various ethnic backgrounds other than white.
Incidentally he wasn't gay, but wanted to understand a bit more.
The inspector I spoke to is a chap I have known for a long time, and is a down to earth type, who thinks the BPA is a good thing. If it wasn't he would have told me. It is a place where those of any ethnicity can join, and discuss similar experiences of those with similar ethnicity. As I could have about my latest tirade of racial abuse, sometimes something works because it just does.
Incidentally, I think the suggestion by wildy earlier with regard to multicultural association was a good one, and may send a signal of greater clarity.
>> Edited by silverback mike on Monday 25th July 19:12
Having not had any direct experience with the BPA I asked him why it was necessary to have, and explained this forum and thread in particular.
He echo'ed a lot of what we have said, but primarily it is a place where people can discuss matters of cultural similarity, and problems that may arise therein.
For instance, "what happens when the black people in a community single you out for racial abuse, primarily as you are in a white mans job"
Now, as a white bloke, I don't have a clue. I could explain it the other way round though.
It's also a sense of belonging, as is the gay and lesbian association. Which - to take a random wander off track, a colleague of mine was our area representative. The question, without fail that he was asked every time by virtually everyone." Well, are you gay then?" Surely, it doesn't make a difference, but it obviously does, in a way that being a black police officer does to some people from various ethnic backgrounds other than white.
Incidentally he wasn't gay, but wanted to understand a bit more.
The inspector I spoke to is a chap I have known for a long time, and is a down to earth type, who thinks the BPA is a good thing. If it wasn't he would have told me. It is a place where those of any ethnicity can join, and discuss similar experiences of those with similar ethnicity. As I could have about my latest tirade of racial abuse, sometimes something works because it just does.
Incidentally, I think the suggestion by wildy earlier with regard to multicultural association was a good one, and may send a signal of greater clarity.
>> Edited by silverback mike on Monday 25th July 19:12
JMGS4 said:crockers, very good memories
Funny that, as in the early seventies one caused a ruck at various pubs in Snanz or St Paulz when one wanted a drink and ws told "dis yer is a block pob mon!"...... still as you said alcohol, race, aggro and your job don't mix... keep it shiny side up!
Mind you in those days they also had men only bars (probably illegal now under bLIAR and co!), I remember well one on Cotham Hill (Crockers? Crocketts?) which had an excellent bar on the first floor, silver tankards and all....
>> Edited by JMGS4 on Friday 22 July 12:35
deltafox said:
Say what you like deltafox, your posts do you no credit whatsoever.
That would be a shame if true, as they are largely made with sincerity and concern for things i believe in.
It wasn't that long ago that people believed sincerely the world was flat and were concerned they would fall off the end of it!!!
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