Slowsters -- the fastest growing danger?
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driver ignorance from the majority!
if i get stuck in one of 'those' queues, see it is impossible to overtake safely, just sit back, leave a good space in front and wait! if impatient people want to overtake me they are more than welcome, there is a space for them to drop in to.
the numpties that speed up to block pull in gap want banning instantly for a period of time. it is plain dangerous and shows complete lack of roadcraft. hence if i overtake (having plan my pull in space), the only way to do it now is to drop down a few cogs and accelerate sharply past the said car, ensuring that my speed differential is large, meaning that even is they try and block space i am already in it!
if i get stuck in one of 'those' queues, see it is impossible to overtake safely, just sit back, leave a good space in front and wait! if impatient people want to overtake me they are more than welcome, there is a space for them to drop in to.
the numpties that speed up to block pull in gap want banning instantly for a period of time. it is plain dangerous and shows complete lack of roadcraft. hence if i overtake (having plan my pull in space), the only way to do it now is to drop down a few cogs and accelerate sharply past the said car, ensuring that my speed differential is large, meaning that even is they try and block space i am already in it!
If you want to drive slowly do it, it's not illegal unless you are holding up a certain amount of traffic.
If you don't want to overtake don't, it's not illegal. But if you don't leave enough room between you and the car in front it's a nono I think as is 'shutting the door' on an overtaker
If you want to overtake do it, it's not illegal, unless you are doing it in dangerous circumstances
If you want to flash your lights at someone who is overtaking in perfectly safe circumstances, do it, it's not illegal, but you might not appreciate the response
If you don't want to overtake don't, it's not illegal. But if you don't leave enough room between you and the car in front it's a nono I think as is 'shutting the door' on an overtaker
If you want to overtake do it, it's not illegal, unless you are doing it in dangerous circumstances
If you want to flash your lights at someone who is overtaking in perfectly safe circumstances, do it, it's not illegal, but you might not appreciate the response
timtonal said:
There is a lot of ignorance on the roads, alas. 
However on longish journeys on single carriageways I find that opportunities to overtake slower vehicles safely normally occurs after a while. Quite satisfying to get past them as well.
Either that or the slow person at the head of the queue eventually turns off or whatever.
And then you hit the next one.
Which is why the road system functions at a fraction of its capacity.
I suppose that all the people who think it's reasonable for others to trundle around at half the (already low) limit would be all for having level crossings replaced by pedestrian controlled pelican crossings which stopped all trains that were far enough away to manage an emergency stop, and that kept the trains waiting until any and every pedestrian who wanted to cross had ambled, dawdled or zimmer framed across.
And that any train passenger should be allowed to pull the emergency cord if they saw a nice bit of scenery and wanted a better look.
After all, what's the hurry?
There's always tomorrow!
It looks like Bin Laden is using Muslim Fundamentalists to knock out the rail network.
And Pistonheaders to knock out the road network!
scorp said:
Also another factor was the fact she has no sense of direction on our local roads at all, and thus, she has to familiarise herself with the layout.
As a loving husband, shouldn't you be treating her to some driving lessons, preferrably with a local driving school, on your local roads?
Preferrably with the ultimate aim of actually taking, and perhaps even passing, her driving test.
Ideally before letting her out with the kids.
D Fender said:
As a loving husband, shouldn't you be treating her to some driving lessons, preferrably with a local driving school, on your local roads?
Preferrably with the ultimate aim of actually taking, and perhaps even passing, her driving test.
Ideally before letting her out with the kids.
She has passed already, but being a woman, she has a s**t sense of direction.
There are also other factors, like, she was not born in the uk so doesn't have a memory of any road layout in this country
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As a loving husband, shouldn't you be treating her to some driving lessons, preferrably with a local driving school, on your local roads?
Preferrably with the ultimate aim of actually taking, and perhaps even passing, her driving test.
Ideally before letting her out with the kids
She should really now be doing her Pass Plus, which includes night, motorway driving and also driving out of her 'local area'. The driving test is just not enough.
Next step would be to get her out on the ROSPA or Advanced drivers course to further improve her skills; all for her safety.
If you are not confident then in situations that require clear and decisive action you will panic and be in-effective. As we know these situations do not have to brought upon yourself.
We should all be aiming to make progress and remain courteous to others needs.
As a loving husband, shouldn't you be treating her to some driving lessons, preferrably with a local driving school, on your local roads?
Preferrably with the ultimate aim of actually taking, and perhaps even passing, her driving test.
Ideally before letting her out with the kids
She should really now be doing her Pass Plus, which includes night, motorway driving and also driving out of her 'local area'. The driving test is just not enough.
Next step would be to get her out on the ROSPA or Advanced drivers course to further improve her skills; all for her safety.
If you are not confident then in situations that require clear and decisive action you will panic and be in-effective. As we know these situations do not have to brought upon yourself.
We should all be aiming to make progress and remain courteous to others needs.
Strange, i can drive perfectly well in the dark and in unknown areas without the need for a "pass-plus" or anything else.
I did it by driving inexperienced on our roads until i gained experience. Im sure 99% of other drivers did the same thing.
The point i was making is that just-passed drivers tend to drive very cautiously. My wife is no exception (as such she was used as an example). That same day i was stuck behind another woman with P plates on who stalled on a roundabout 3 times, its quite typical to see just-passed drivers doing that.
- She is taking motorway lessons this weekend btw (sans kids)
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 29th July 10:55
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 29th July 11:07
I did it by driving inexperienced on our roads until i gained experience. Im sure 99% of other drivers did the same thing.
The point i was making is that just-passed drivers tend to drive very cautiously. My wife is no exception (as such she was used as an example). That same day i was stuck behind another woman with P plates on who stalled on a roundabout 3 times, its quite typical to see just-passed drivers doing that.
- She is taking motorway lessons this weekend btw (sans kids)
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 29th July 10:55
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 29th July 11:07
Exactly, it's training/testing people so that they are experienced enough to have a minimum level of competence to fit into a system. Without traing/testing the majority of people would be incompetent; not to mention training/testing is there to provide a 'level' playing field that allows people to function more effectively due to uniform standards.
It's the same argument, do we invest in the big brother system of cameras everywhere or do we take it upon ourselves as the people responsible for our actions.
They are starting to address this with the revised driving test in which 43% now only pass!
"Stalled at roundabout three times" She should not be in a car! Do we allow Pilots to pass their liscence who stall every time they take off!!! What if she stalls and stops mid roundabout and causes an accident because she was unable to control the vehicle.
It's the same argument, do we invest in the big brother system of cameras everywhere or do we take it upon ourselves as the people responsible for our actions.
They are starting to address this with the revised driving test in which 43% now only pass!
"Stalled at roundabout three times" She should not be in a car! Do we allow Pilots to pass their liscence who stall every time they take off!!! What if she stalls and stops mid roundabout and causes an accident because she was unable to control the vehicle.
Jaakko said:
"Stalled at roundabout three times" She should not be in a car! Do we allow Pilots to pass their liscence who stall every time they take off!!! What if she stalls and stops mid roundabout and causes an accident because she was unable to control the vehicle.
I stalled 3 times on my test and managed to pass. Quite easy to do i reckon if you are unfamiliar with the clutch biting point. She stalled at a junction on a uphill incline (ive seen normal drivers stall there) - My home town, Doncaster has traffic lights mid-round about!.
One thing i noticed is nearly all new drivers will use the handbrake in every situation were other drivers don't bother and sometimes use clutch biting (which requires practice).
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 29th July 11:17
echo said:
I've been posting on here for some time, but I don't think I've ever seen such a load of selfish codswallop before.
The posters here seem to feel it their right to drive at 20 mph (say) over the posted limit at all times, but if someone who is not in a hurry chooses to drive at 20 mph below the limit then they are deemed a a 'numpty', or worse.
For goodness sake, let's show a bit of tolerance here and stop this attitude that if you don't want to drive very quickly and have the ability to do so then you have no rights to be on the road. Go quickly when you can, go slowly when you can't, and show tolerance to others. Everyone has the right to the use of the roads. If others should not be selfish and self-centered, then nor should you or I. This 'King-of-the-Road' attitude is not good for anyone.
On the whole I agree here.OTOH, appropriate driving style/speed ought apply to given road conditions.
Beligerent drivers who 'deliberately' or negligently drive slowly where the road/conditions allow for significant increase in speed,are a great source of irritation to other road users.
If I were travelling below the speed limit & checked my mirror to see a stack of other motorists behind me I think I should feel obliged to allow them past,as soon as safely possible.
Its not rocket science,common sense & courtesty seem to be qualities often found lacking when we jump in our cars.
tuttle said:
If I were travelling below the speed limit & checked my mirror to see a stack of other motorists behind me I think I should feel obliged to allow them past,as soon as safely possible.
Its not rocket science,common sense & courtesty seem to be qualities often found lacking when we jump in our cars.
You did one thing wrong...you checked your mirror! They don't, do they!!!
trackdemon said:
scorp said:
...only yesterday my wife had her first car, and she was happily driving around between 20-30mph in 40mph zones, it would have been dangerous to force her to speed up....
If this is true then - no offence intended - she should not be driving at all. If you are not confident / able enough to flow with the rest of the traffic then you are a danger to yourself and others; this is fundamentally the point thats being made.
Afraid I agree. I can't see how it can be a good thing to do 20mph in a 40 zone. This sort of thing is irritating on the road because all it says to me is that the driver concerned is a) unaware of speed limits and b) not able to cope with being ehind the wheel.
Also no offence intended.
Edited to add that I once saw someone doing 45mph in the middle lane of the M11 at 6am in the dark and poor visibility because of rain. There was an artic about 6 inches from their bumper and the surrounding traffic was safely doing 65mph. As far as I'm concerned, this driver was a danger to themselves and to others.
>> Edited by silversun on Friday 29th July 13:42
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