Who is at fault?

[streaky]

nottyash said:

... She is not happy, as she said she was stopped for up to a couple of minutes in front of him.

Time is such an elastic thing and most people are poor judges of its passing. It was more likely no more than a few tens of seconds - Streaky

[saaby93]

This is a good photo
It shows that although the car is over to the left it's parallel to the truck. It's not an angled squeezing in photo.

nottyash said:

This one is good too as it shows a straight front to rear collision although the vehicles are offset. It's not a side on as if someone was merging in ( do we give way to let that happen peacefully?).

nottyash said:

It all backs up what she says that the traffic was queued, it started moving and the truck bashed into the back of her.
Whether the truck driver had seen her or was trying to hold position is another matter.

[mercfunder]

The photos do look like she was cutting in on him, damage looks very minor for an HGV rear impact.
Sure she hasn't gone for the gap and mis-timed it?

I don't see how the truck would bump the car sideways, especially when all the damage is to the rear, any momentum would have carried your car forward not sideways.

[saaby93]

I dont buy the being hit and the wheels being pushed back over the white line argument either, especially as in this photo the dashed lines are to the nearside of the car

nottyash said:

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th September 09:19

[anonymous-user]

mercfunder said:

The photos do look like she was cutting in on him, damage looks very minor for an HGV rear impact.
Sure she hasn't gone for the gap and mis-timed it?

I don't see how the truck would bump the car sideways, especially when all the damage is to the rear, any momentum would have carried your car forward not sideways.

I'm with this one, happens dozens of times daily.

Looks like a cut in at last minute in the driver's blind spot.

If i were the truck driver i would be fighting it all the way on those pictures ,

Why is is most drivers and cyclists have no concept of blind spots, No wonder trucks have to have so many mirrors and a sticker saying "If you can't see my mirror i can't see you" for the muppets.


Ps Hope your not in AI saaby93 ,

You can see the steering wheel with no adjustment to piccy, and just because you "assume" irish plated trucks are LHD, there are many English plated trucks that are LHD if they do a lot of continental

[saaby93]

speedyguy said:

Why is is most drivers and cyclists have no concept of blind spots, No wonder trucks have to have so many mirrors and a sticker saying "If you can't see my mirror i can't see you" for the muppets.

that's why theyre making trucks have extra mirrors, too many LHD punting accidents on the M25 (this one's no punt as you can see from lack of side damage). Isn't it the driver's responsibility anyway to make sure no-one's in their blind spot?

speedyguy said:

Ps Hope your not in AI saaby93 ,
You can see the steering wheel with no adjustment to piccy, and just because you "assume" irish plated trucks are LHD, there are many English plated trucks that are LHD if they do a lot of continental

Yeah I did think it was RHD to begin with but then looked at the mirrors and thought it was LHD

[Nickyboy]

saaby93 said:

that's why theyre making trucks have extra mirrors, too many LHD punting accidents on the M25 (this one's no punt as you can see from lack of side damage). Isn't it the driver's responsibility anyway to make sure no-one's in their blind spot?

They don't call them blindspots for no reason, they call them that because you cant see what's in them.

The broken white line in the pic is the end of the slip road where the joining traffic has to give way regardless of what speed the traffic on the carraigeway is doing.

Seems to me she assumed she could nip in front of the truck and the truck driver not seeing her doing so as chances are she was in his blindspot. Even worse in crawling traffic where someone doing that doesnt move ahead so you can easily see them

[saaby93]

Here we go - just found this thanks to Von
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqjZ4H3x-0&NR=...

[Transam]

saaby93 said:

The dual mirrors on the offside made me think it was LHD. I thought all large trucks were supposed to have blindspot mirrors now to help prevent punting accidents?

I refer myself to a previous post

saaby93 said:

Are you sure the truck driver saw her? She might have been below his line of vision

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th September 00:19

all volvos have dual mirrors on both sides and have done for a good number of years, ive got 7 mirrors in my truck, 5 on the right side of the truck and 2 on the left side.

[Beyond Rational]

OP, can I ask the result of the claim? I'm quite curious as to how this one resolved due to how the evidence might be interpreted.

[anonymous-user]

Anyone heard of

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/

Chatting to someone who had 1 installed recently who was involved in an RTC on the M1 in an incident similiar to the "infamous Arclid" shove a clio along a bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJ3o7-PVpE

The whole lot was caught on the device frame by "slo mo" frame, by the next morning new hire truck, no excess to pay and full liability admitted by offending motorists insurance co .


The way forward to stop scamming "tw*ts" ??

What would the BIB view be on using video evidence from these towards a prosecution ?

These are now being fitted as standard to national fleets to cut down on insurance claims/fraud , if an "involved" driver/third party was unaware it was all on camera and continued to bullst and lie preferably up to court stage would/could they be done for perjury

[csl123]

speedyguy said:

Anyone heard of

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/



These are now being fitted as standard to national fleets to cut down on insurance claims/fraud , if an "involved" driver/third party was unaware it was all on camera and continued to bullst and lie preferably up to court stage would/could they be done for perjury

Not if he just said he believes this is what happened.
Von argues that the police do this and are not lying. It just happens that what they believed to have happened, was in fact wrong. Not perjury.

[Hooli]

speedyguy said:

You can see the steering wheel with no adjustment to piccy, and just because you "assume" irish plated trucks are LHD, there are many English plated trucks that are LHD if they do a lot of continental

Why do people assume that? the Irish drive on the correct side of the road just like us.


As to the pics, it does look like she pushed in via the trucks blindspot & crunch.

[Galsia]

speedyguy said:

Anyone heard of

http://www.roadhawk.co.uk/

Chatting to someone who had 1 installed recently who was involved in an RTC on the M1 in an incident similiar to the "infamous Arclid" shove a clio along a bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BJ3o7-PVpE

The whole lot was caught on the device frame by "slo mo" frame, by the next morning new hire truck, no excess to pay and full liability admitted by offending motorists insurance co .


The way forward to stop scamming "tw*ts" ??

What would the BIB view be on using video evidence from these towards a prosecution ?

These are now being fitted as standard to national fleets to cut down on insurance claims/fraud , if an "involved" driver/third party was unaware it was all on camera and continued to bullst and lie preferably up to court stage would/could they be done for perjury

I'm tempted to get one of these or something similar. The only thing that puts me off is that they don't appear to capture a decent view of the rear or the sides of the car. Second camera just seems to record the interior which seems pointless. Any ways around this?

[Tiggsy]

Worst, my wife told me porkies... I believed her, now look silly thread ever

[Starfighter]

Galsia said:

[I'm tempted to get one of these or something similar. The only thing that puts me off is that they don't appear to capture a decent view of the rear or the sides of the car. Second camera just seems to record the interior which seems pointless. Any ways around this?

Blu Tack?