BMW X5 Police Car
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TPS said:
Ok keep digging.
So how do you want it as you have now said they should not have big 4x4's,but you have also said they should have them.
Which is it?
In fairness, I took his Skoda example to be in place of saloons, and the Hyundai example to be one of those big ugly off roaders to replace X5s.So how do you want it as you have now said they should not have big 4x4's,but you have also said they should have them.
Which is it?
I don't think he's stupid enough to suggest an Octavia replaces the X5s
simoid said:
TPS said:
Ok keep digging.
So how do you want it as you have now said they should not have big 4x4's,but you have also said they should have them.
Which is it?
In fairness, I took his Skoda example to be in place of saloons, and the Hyundai example to be one of those big ugly off roaders to replace X5s.So how do you want it as you have now said they should not have big 4x4's,but you have also said they should have them.
Which is it?
I don't think he's stupid enough to suggest an Octavia replaces the X5s
So can he show us all a Hyundai 4x4 that is approved by Hyundai and avaliable to the police at discount.
TPS said:
Ok perhaps your right there.
So can he show us all a Hyundai 4x4 that is approved by Hyundai and avaliable to the police at discount.
http://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/build-my-hyundai?vehicle_ref=santa_fe-2012So can he show us all a Hyundai 4x4 that is approved by Hyundai and avaliable to the police at discount.
£27,000 list price for a brand new manual 4x4 one. Got a whopping 80 odd bhp per ton, that enough for catching crims?
pointedstarman said:
Skoda VRs is type approved, has similar performance (have owned / driven both) and is 50% the price of the BMW. It'd be a similar story with a Mondeo (given the number of Focus cars used I would guess Ford offer cars on good terms).
The maths do not add up whichever way you look at it.
(Not saying it's going to be exactly the same deal with different cars for the BiB but), Ambulance Trusts were actually offered BMW (X1s) at a cheaper rate than the nearest equivalent Skodas (Scout) so despite the 'public' list prices, the maths are not necessarily as straightforward as you imagine.The maths do not add up whichever way you look at it.
Landshark said:
Our XFs has been one of the most reliable cars we have had!
Either way they certainly look the business when fully marked up. They also seem to be the cars that generate the most ill-informed, "look at where our bloody tax is going" type comments along the lines of the OP.
pointedstarman said:
Sorry, but whilst each of the above may be true (excepting the last - a £20K X5 & a Vauxhall Frontera????) it don't justify buying BMW's / Disco's etc over Skoda's / Hyundai's etc when the latter are a) more reliable; b) available with similar discounts but from far lower list prices; c) cheaper to service.
Also, as I recall from direct experience many forces lease vehicles ands don't pay that much different from the likes of BT / local councils / NHS. Can't remember the last visiting nurse I saw in a BMW..
I've also represented a manufacturer to NHS Boards (Trusts if you are south of the border) and visiting nurses do drive some pretty decent cars.Also, as I recall from direct experience many forces lease vehicles ands don't pay that much different from the likes of BT / local councils / NHS. Can't remember the last visiting nurse I saw in a BMW..
The different manufacturer offers discount levels that will vary by model to any NHS body across the country. The individual NHS Board/Trust will then get lease rates from their chosen lease company/ies reflecting their terms, just as any private sector body might.
The rules vary from one Board/Trust to another, but generally speaking the fleet manager will identify appropriate benchmark models and individual employees then have an allowance sufficient to get the benchmark car, say a Fabia 1.2, as their company car. If the employee needs a bigger car for family reasons, or a better car for personal reasons, they pay the difference.
That did give rise to some examples where senior consultants were driving S Classes or Porsches, but they were covering a large part of the cost, just the same as the district nurse in her 1 Series or whatever is making a personal contribution and their choice of car costs the tax payer no extra.
If you had any exposure to public sector leasing in your previous career you would know this stuff.
Wiki said:
Automobile industry, finances
Total cost of ownership is also common in the automobile industry. In this context, the TCO denotes the cost of owning a vehicle from the purchase, through its maintenance, and finally its sale as a used car. Comparative TCO studies between various models help consumers choose a car to fit their needs and budget.
Total cost of ownership is also common in the automobile industry. In this context, the TCO denotes the cost of owning a vehicle from the purchase, through its maintenance, and finally its sale as a used car. Comparative TCO studies between various models help consumers choose a car to fit their needs and budget.
Original Troll said:
BUT IT'S A BMW SO IT MUST COST LOADS.
TPS said:
pointedstarman said:
it don't justify buying BMW's / Disco's etc over Skoda's / Hyundai's etc when the latter are a) more reliable; b) available with similar discounts but from far lower list prices; c) cheaper to service.
Get a disco and get a skoda.Hook it up to a hgv and let me know which one pulls the hgv out of lane one and to safety.pointedstarman said:
This question may well have been asked before but why do supposedly cash strapped Police Forces (in the case Essex Constabulary) have such expensive cars???
Many of the cars I see around the area where I live are BMW 330d/530d or Volvo Estates (£35 -40k cars).
I used to work in a vehicle leasing company and know for a fact that they cost a fortune compared with, say, a Skoda Octavia VRs which would do a comparable job. What's more they the various forces don't even pool thier buying power as far as I know.
The final straw was seeing a 62 plate X5 today - a £45k 4WD that won't even go off road!!
WHY???
To be fair, Essex also have a large fleet of Kias (ETA poss Chevy or Hyundai, something cheap), the ones that look a bit like a Focus. And they've got a boat too. Many of the cars I see around the area where I live are BMW 330d/530d or Volvo Estates (£35 -40k cars).
I used to work in a vehicle leasing company and know for a fact that they cost a fortune compared with, say, a Skoda Octavia VRs which would do a comparable job. What's more they the various forces don't even pool thier buying power as far as I know.
The final straw was seeing a 62 plate X5 today - a £45k 4WD that won't even go off road!!
WHY???
Edited by OpulentBob on Friday 16th November 09:49
340600 said:
Either way they certainly look the business when fully marked up. They also seem to be the cars that generate the most ill-informed, "look at where our bloody tax is going" type comments along the lines of the OP.
That's the main reason why we were only allowed one, too many people commenting about the price of Jags (despite the fact it cost peanuts) I'm currently sat in my BMW 330d, it's poverty spec, but kitted out with most the equipment I need. It's farely quick, but it's the most uncomfortable car I've ever driven and 11hrs in this gives me severe back ache.
What the OP doesn't seem to grasp is that we do t choose the cars, the finance people do. We test loads of different models and makes, putting I am our recommendations and then they ignore it and buy the cheapest of the selection.
2 X5's have just been ordered at 17k each. The Audi Q7's were also bought for around the same price. The disco is slow and unreliable, but I have towed a 44 tonne lorry with it.
We also have, Ford Focus, Ford Mondeo, vauxhall corsa, Fiesta's and other low spec vehicles
Red 4 said:
Forces are doing this now, by region. And as has been said the "cheapest" car is not necessarily the cheapest in the long run.
ps there are also quite a few X5's that you won't have noticed (they aren't white/ yellow/ blue with flashing things on the roof).
Oh, and forces don't buy M Sports (shame), they are all SE's.
Which is a mistake as resale values are better on M Sports.ps there are also quite a few X5's that you won't have noticed (they aren't white/ yellow/ blue with flashing things on the roof).
Oh, and forces don't buy M Sports (shame), they are all SE's.
Edited by Red 4 on Thursday 15th November 19:08
I dont have a dog in this fight, other than to agree about right tool for the job, but I had a porsche cayenne come past me the other week heading towards the m42 at bromsgrove - Lights and music all going. My only comment is that it was very dirty! And I've seen a couple of unusual unmarked cars on the M6 when I used to use it every day. Tasty golf being one of them.
Essel said:
I dont have a dog in this fight, other than to agree about right tool for the job, but I had a porsche cayenne come past me the other week heading towards the m42 at bromsgrove - Lights and music all going. My only comment is that it was very dirty! And I've seen a couple of unusual unmarked cars on the M6 when I used to use it every day. Tasty golf being one of them.
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