Blown lorry tyre hits my car, who's at fault ?

[oldsoak]

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

[heebeegeetee]

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

[TheEnd]

truck tyre pressure is far higher, 120-140 PSI +

[F i F]

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

[rypt]

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

Life in service is neither here nor there, if there is such an increased danger of a blowout due to thread recutting, and the number of miles that the tyre does then perhaps the tyre should be replaced with a new one instead.
Yes the loads are different, but the tyre is supposed to be designed to withstand the load that is put on it - if they are not able to withstand that over the expected life then they are not safe/fit for use and as such should not be used.

[heebeegeetee]

rypt said:

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

Life in service is neither here nor there, if there is such an increased danger of a blowout due to thread recutting, and the number of miles that the tyre does then perhaps the tyre should be replaced with a new one instead.
Yes the loads are different, but the tyre is supposed to be designed to withstand the load that is put on it - if they are not able to withstand that over the expected life then they are not safe/fit for use and as such should not be used.

Best have a word with the tyre manufacturers.

[cashybai]

TheEnd said:

truck tyre pressure is far higher, 120-140 PSI +

+1.Seeing as cars run at 30psi or thereabouts, 'Blowouts' are generally a lot less damaging, more of a deflation really.

[F i F]

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

Life in service is neither here nor there, if there is such an increased danger of a blowout due to thread recutting, and the number of miles that the tyre does then perhaps the tyre should be replaced with a new one instead.
Yes the loads are different, but the tyre is supposed to be designed to withstand the load that is put on it - if they are not able to withstand that over the expected life then they are not safe/fit for use and as such should not be used.

Best have a word with the tyre manufacturers.

Better than that heebee I'll put him down to come and give some lectures they'll appreciate it.

[TheEnd]

i think most blowouts are due to a puncture first, anything minor, the tyre deflates a little, heats up and the remaining pressure, will make them explode totally through the weakened sidewalls.

with a car, it would need to try to about 1 bar before it starts to deform and heat a lot, and it'll probably just keep on wobbling and deflating slowly, but on a truck, there could easily still be 7-8 bar inside it which is enough for it to actually explode

[streaky]

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

But as they are clearly driving on the Continent, that's not an issue in the UK - Streaky

A supporter of the newspaper headline philosophy of: "Fog in Channel, Europe cut off."

[heebeegeetee]

streaky said:

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

Edited by F i F on Sunday 28th February 17:53

But as they are clearly driving on the Continent, that's not an issue in the UK - Streaky

A supporter of the newspaper headline philosophy of: "Fog in Channel, Europe cut off."

Hmm, I dunno - I remember when i first drove for Stobarts and was given a lovely and immacuklate new truck. I found out from mthe tax disc it was 6 months old, it still had the new vehicle smell about it, twas spotless etc.... and had 72,000 miles on the clock. (Miles, not kms).

[anonymous-user]

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ...

Like the aircraft investigation programme a grain of sand in the initial fan casting, thousands of miles later it caused a plane crash.
A miniscule defect unseen in a tyre could have the same effect of hitting a tiny piece of debris which may cause a blowout many miles furter on.

http://www.highways.gov.uk/news/pressrelease.aspx?...

That's a fair amount of congestion caused by just that, never mind the loss and repair costs

rypt said:

you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

Now you must be having a laugh .

As stated before the truck tyre run on higher pressure, does millions more motorway miles etc. They reckon something like 80% of freight is done on the motorway network. And the big tyre manufactures spent millions on research and development, unlike fred's backstreet tyre shop fitting part worn tyres for £20.

Shed loads unless you know guaranteed and traceable it would probably be difficult to claim. But lots of people now would try and claim for anything
I'm surprised the RSPB are not inundated with claims after a pheasant hits a car nowadays

As for wheels coming off vehicles thats more than likely bad/lack of walk round checks etc, you can see a rust ring appearing or waterstaining off the nuts etc.
Who's liable for the wheel wheel falling off a hire vehicle (not seen that since last week) the hire firm or Mr Miggins for not checking the nuts after a couple of days hire, many of the tyre firms now tie a tag to the steering wheel or wherever telling you, you are responsible to recheck and tighten in this let's cover our a@@e from all angles culture

[F i F]

streaky said:

F i F said:

heebeegeetee said:

oldsoak said:

rypt said:

heebeegeetee said:

rypt said:

I still don't see why it is deemed that a blowout is something that "just" happens, clearly if a tyre suffers a blow out it was not fit for duty ... you don't hear car tyres getting random blowouts...

You can run over a screw or nail en route and be unaware, a tyre can very often be damaged internally without any external evidence...

When was the last time you scrutinised the surface of your tyres, inc moving the car to examine the 'contact patch'? It still surprises me how many vehicles i see which have stopped due to a puncture on the nations m'ways.

I do check my tyres whenever the car is up on the jacks, which is generally every couple of weeks for this or what.
That still does not answer my question as to why cars do not suffer disastrous blowouts at the same frequency as you see abandoned truck tyre carcasses around.

Simple answer really...cars don't drive on remoulds as often as trucks do.

There's that as well.

I'm not sure there's much difference in the rates of punctures i see different vehicles having on our m'ways, pro rata and all that. Car tyres don't let go in the same way, but i guess there's different dynamics involved.

#Plus the mileage that truck tyrs carcasses do, new, then tread recut, then remoulded.

Then there is usage and loads, comparing apples and oranges tbh.


edited, sorry did the post and like a muppet never quoted the figures.

Typically 250,000 km from the first life, and another 200,000 km from a premium retread which makes pretty close to half a million km.

But as they are clearly driving on the Continent, that's not an issue in the UK - Streaky

A supporter of the newspaper headline philosophy of: "Fog in Channel, Europe cut off."

And in complete defiance of Streaky one wonders how the tyres know that they're continental km as opposed to UK kilometres/miles, probably smoother roads and fewer potholes.

Time was cars were tested on the ultimate rough roads Belgian pavé
http://www.mira.co.uk/Services/VehicleDurability.h...

One wonders now if the Belgian equivalent of Mira has a section of patched and potholed test track named Britain's Urban streets doubling as a blessed tank testing ground.

Back on topic, Michelin are marketing a system to get 1 million km (sorry Streaky) out of a tyre carcass for £400 ish, four lives out of the same casing with retreads and regrooving.

On the subject of evidence of truck blowouts vs car blowouts, as the debris is bigger doesn't this make it just more obvious and more difficult to clear? I think visual evidence of debris witnessed at random is a complete red herring.

I don't have any stats but an abstract from a French report might shred (pun quite intentional) a bit of light on the subject Yes I know it should be shed

Tire Blow-Outs and Motorway Accidents report abstract said:

During the period from 1996 to 2002, 60,397 vehicles were involved in crashes with property damage and/or injury on a French motorway network of 2000 km. It was observed that 6.7% of these accidents involved tire blow-outs. In 87% of cases, only one vehicle was involved in the accident. Tire blow-outs occurred in 6.5% of cars that represented more than 80% of the vehicles involved in crashes. The occurrence of this phenomenon is very high for vans (22%), though it concerns trucks less (2.5%). The proportion of tire blow-outs decreased from 1997, when it was 8.0%, to 5.9% in 2002. However, two main facts require examination:
On inter-urban motorways, crashes involving blow-outs of rear tires occur four times more frequently than for blow-outs of front tires.
The frequency of tire blow-outs is especially high for vans, and almost always involves rear tires.

[anonymous-user]

F i F said:

However, two main facts require examination:
On inter-urban motorways, crashes involving blow-outs of rear tires occur four times more frequently than for blow-outs of front tires.
The frequency of tire blow-outs is especially high for vans, and almost always involves rear tires.

Would that be a bit of overloading then . Amazing how much weight you can carry in beer in a van back from France

Do you southerner's know if VOSA weigh stuff into the country around Dover etc could be another nice little earner for them

[GC8]

With HGVs thatll be because no one in their right mind would fit a remoulded steer tyre. Driven and steering wheel tyres differ, with remoulds only being fitted to the driven wheels.

[oldsoak]

GC8 said:

With HGVs thatll be because no one in their right mind would fit a remoulded steer tyre. Driven and steering wheel tyres differ, with remoulds only being fitted to the driven wheels.

^^^^this

[F i F]

GC8 said:

With HGVs thatll be because no one in their right mind would fit a remoulded steer tyre. Driven and steering wheel tyres differ, with remoulds only being fitted to the driven wheels.

Though I've seen them on steer axles on buses and bin lorries.

Biggest area of use is on trailer axles I'd suggest.

[jagracer]

GC8 said:

With HGVs thatll be because no one in their right mind would fit a remoulded steer tyre. Driven and steering wheel tyres differ, with remoulds only being fitted to the driven wheels.

Lots of companies fit retreads on steering axles.

[GC8]

Perhaps they do. More fool them.

[jagracer]

GC8 said:

Perhaps they do. More fool them.

If you say so, I'll bow to your superior knowledge.