Power Supply Units to GATSO cameras - update

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Slightly off topic:

On the other hand my local authority taxes are subsidised to a considerable extent by the stupidity of people who cannot read parking regulation signs.

That's not very fair either, especially when they've been caught by enforcement according to the letter based on TROs, signs and road markings that are outwith the regulations.

[ramtec]

Breadvan73 said:

SCPs aren't businesses providing dividends to shareholders, and Chief Constables are not retiring to Switzerland on the proceeds of speeding tickets.

Actually, that's exactly the point. ACPO Ltd profits from its business relationship with SCPs, the speed camera industry, and the Home Office. It does have benificiaries and they include senior police officers. It has an AVERAGE salary (reported two years ago) of £33,000.

[grumpy geezer]

ramtec said:

The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...

are they really? And where did you find the evidence of that 'fact'?

You do seem to just make up whatever waffle you want.

[anonymous-user]

ramtec said:

Breadvan73 said:

SCPs aren't businesses providing dividends to shareholders, and Chief Constables are not retiring to Switzerland on the proceeds of speeding tickets.

Actually, that's exactly the point. ACPO Ltd profits from its business relationship with SCPs, the speed camera industry, and the Home Office. It does have benificiaries and they include senior police officers. It has an AVERAGE salary (reported two years ago) of £33,000.

I stand by what I said in the passage which you have quoted. I add that SCPs are not creatures of ACPO Ltd. They were set up by the Department of Transport.

I add also that the average UK salary is about £30,000, so the figures you mention hardly sound like Derivatives Trader money.

There are legitimate debates to be had about speed enforcement methods and the use of public funds, but conspiracy theories and suggestions that it's all a commercial scam don't assist.

Edited by Breadvan73 on Wednesday 29th June 16:15

[Red Devil]

ramtec said:

The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...

Why the emphasis on LIMITED? It's Limited by guarantee not shares so there is no share capital or dividend payments.

[ramtec]

Red Devil said:

Why the emphasis on LIMITED? It's Limited by guarantee not shares so there is no share capital or dividend payments.

ACPO Ltd is a profit-making organisation masquerading as an association made up of already very well paid senior police officers. There is a clear conflict of interest within their remit.

[ramtec]

grumpy geezer said:

are they really? And where did you find the evidence of that 'fact'?

You do seem to just make up whatever waffle you want.

The information is in the public domain! [Tut} Unless you posted through a Vulcan mind-meld, you have access to the internet. Try doing some of your own research before jumping in with your size 10s...

[anonymous-user]

Ramtec, do you understand what a company limited by guarantee is? As noted above, it doesn't have shareholders or pay dividends. You can obtain its accounts if you like, by doing a company search.

I am quite good at Googling, but can't find any evidence online that SCPs are a "by product" of ACPO Limited. As mentioned above, they were set up by the Government.

Edited by Breadvan73 on Wednesday 29th June 16:46

[ramtec]

Breadvan73 said:

I add also that the average UK salary is about £30,000, so the figures you mention hardly sound like Derivatives Trader money.

Edited by Breadvan73 on Wednesday 29th June 16:15

The average UK salary ia a little under £28K which means that the lowliest ACPO Ltd employee is earning £5K more than the UK average.

[ramtec]

Breadvan73 said:

Ramtec, do you understand what a company limited by guarantee is? As noted above, it doesn't have shareholders or pay dividends. You can obtain its accounts if you like, by doing a company search.

I am a director and shareholder of a limited company and can be paid a director's bonus and 'expenses' as required. Why is that relevant to this discussion?

[ramtec]

BOUNCE: Whilst we're on the subject of spending tax-payers' money, I wonder how many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?

I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.

I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do...

The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...

[anonymous-user]

The point is that a company limited by shares is not the same as a company limited by guarantee. They are two different legal creatures. People can get rich from the former, but not from the latter. You can look this stuff up on the internet, you know.

[ramtec]

Breadvan73 said:

The point is that a company limited by shares is not the same as a company limited by guarantee. They are two different legal creatures. People can get rich from the former, but not from the latter. You can look this stuff up on the internet, you know.

You should quit before you bury yourself completely. You clearly have no idea on your chosen subject.

[anonymous-user]

I am unimpressed by your schoolyard rhetoric. If you assert that I am mistaken, please explain how. Huffing and puffing is not debate.

[ramtec]

Breadvan73 said:

I am unimpressed by your schoolyard rhetoric. If you assert that I am mistaken, please explain how. Huffing and puffing is not debate.

I frankly don't give a monkey's whether you're impressed or not. You haven't researched your subject matter and, along with others, seek to post your mindless drivel to deflect attention from the real issues being discussed here.

BOUNCE: Whilst we're on the subject of spending tax-payers' money, I wonder how many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?

I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.

I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do...

The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...

[grumpy geezer]

ramtec said:

The information is in the public domain! [Tut} Unless you posted through a Vulcan mind-meld, you have access to the internet. Try doing some of your own research before jumping in with your size 10s...

ACPO Limited are not in any way in charge of SCP's, my question was quite clear, what leads you to believe they are?
Try backing up what you allege with a simple link to what has caused you to post what is incorrect or perhaps say "it is my belief that...."
Oh! and just for the record, your power supply challenge in your case was bollix anyway. Just in case you are still in the process of producing your television program or whatever....or are the Vulcans doing your movie as well as your attempt at a defence?

[odyssey2200]

Grumpy geezer is Von Hosen AICMFP

[ramtec]

"Our role is to be the professional voice of the service, willing to talk to anyone with a serious interest in policing, because in senior police officers we have the world class knowledge and experience to explain it best. Against that backdrop it seems clear to me that ACPO's private company status, though adopted for good reasons, is now unhelpful and makes little sense to the public..."

Sir Hugh Orde Sept 2009

[grumpy geezer]

ramtec said:

grumpy geezer said:

ACPO Limited are not in any way in charge of SCP's

Apparently, you've now lost the ability to read as well. No one has said that ACPO are in charge of SCPs.

ramtec said:

The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...

You did!
Perhaps you would like to do a short course in punctuation and come back with what you want your writing to convey.

Downt forgit to doo it in yer best Englund tho. Ave yoo got anee skowl chillren than kin elp ewe?

[odyssey2200]

not the spelling police?

run!!!!