Power Supply Units to GATSO cameras - update
Discussion
grumpy geezer said:
You did!
You're quite right, I did. For which I apologise unreservedly. Evidently, the context was lost on you, as was your ability to post the entire quote.BOUNCE: Whilst we're on the subject of spending tax-payers' money, I wonder how many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?
I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.
I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do...
The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED effectively in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...
Ramtec, I am immune to internet insults. I have queried some of your assertions. You do not help your cause by rounding on anyone who asks a question or suggests a factual correction with accusations of drivel. I again invite you to point out what is incorrect in what I have posted above about companies and the origins of SCPs.
Here is what I don't get.
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
ramtec said:
The SCPs are just a by-product of ACPO Ltd's commercial perogative. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers LIMITED in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile...
ACPO is a racket, racketeers belong in jail.It really is that simple.
ramtec said:
Actually, that's exactly the point. ACPO Ltd profits from its business relationship with SCPs, the speed camera industry, and the Home Office. It does have benificiaries and they include senior police officers. It has an AVERAGE salary (reported two years ago) of £33,000.
Yet it produces NOTHING of worth. Where does the money come from if not racketeering?
odyssey2200 said:
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
Not quite every conviction, Odyssey. As if to prove our point, SOME SCPs DO test power supplies but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
ramtec said:
odyssey2200 said:
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
Not quite every conviction, Odyssey. As if to prove our point, SOME SCPs DO test power supplies but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
odyssey2200 said:
Here is what I don't get.
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
^^^ ThisIIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
How I never saw this thread amazes me
Good luck Ramtec, it's just a shame there's so much drivel drowning the facts which really matter.
Maybe the doubters don't understand that this isn't a straw man argument; nit picking on someone's salary has no real relevance on the bigger picture, maybe both sides can ignore the fact, as it has no grounds apart from possibly showing a vested interest.
Ignoring all presumptions and assumptions about conspiracy and sickies: The defenses expert opinion (and by 'expert' we are referring to a service and level required by public bodies themselves) was overruled by a judges PRESUMPTION who had ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.
I take my hat off to you Ramtec.
ramtec said:
Breadvan73 said:
Ramtec, do you understand what a company limited by guarantee is? As noted above, it doesn't have shareholders or pay dividends. You can obtain its accounts if you like, by doing a company search.
I am a director and shareholder of a limited company and can be paid a director's bonus and 'expenses' as required. Why is that relevant to this discussion?Informing us that you are a director and shareholder of a limited company adds what?
Zilch. As you were.
And since you ask, no I don't think your post is at all relevant. So why bother?
Nor does regurgitating the same BOUNCE: post multiple times advance your cause. Such repetition merely makes you look inept. Fingers in ears - la, la, la, I'm not listening.
For the avoidance of doubt I have no more time for SCPs and the way the court system has been hijacked in the perversion of British justice as applied to motorists than you do. However you are rapidly losing my sympathy with the tone of your posts. If you wish to slay the Hydra you need all the support you can get.
In brief:
1. As if to prove the point made in my original post, some SCPs do test GATSO power supply units but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.
2. How many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?
I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.
I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do.
3. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers Ltd effectively in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile.
4. "Our role is to be the professional voice of the service, willing to talk to anyone with a serious interest in policing, because in senior police officers we have the world class knowledge and experience to explain it best. Against that backdrop it seems clear to me that ACPO's private company status, though adopted for good reasons, is now unhelpful and makes little sense to the public..." Sir Hugh Orde Sept 2009
1. As if to prove the point made in my original post, some SCPs do test GATSO power supply units but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.
2. How many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?
I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.
I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do.
3. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers Ltd effectively in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile.
4. "Our role is to be the professional voice of the service, willing to talk to anyone with a serious interest in policing, because in senior police officers we have the world class knowledge and experience to explain it best. Against that backdrop it seems clear to me that ACPO's private company status, though adopted for good reasons, is now unhelpful and makes little sense to the public..." Sir Hugh Orde Sept 2009
Edited by ramtec on Wednesday 29th June 18:38
ILoveLamp said:
odyssey2200 said:
Here is what I don't get.
IIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
^^^ ThisIIRC Ramtec started this thread with the proposal that Gatso cameras could not be considered to be calibrated by any measurement if the voltage supply was not checked to be within operating tolerances.
IIRC this is something that the manufactures even state in their own manual.
So IF Ramtec is correct every speeding conviction could be called into doubt.
As we are , allegedly, all car enthusiasts on this forum,
Why the negativity toward Ramtec?
Unless you have a vested interest in keeping SCPs above the law?
How I never saw this thread amazes me
Good luck Ramtec, it's just a shame there's so much drivel drowning the facts which really matter.
Maybe the doubters don't understand that this isn't a straw man argument; nit picking on someone's salary has no real relevance on the bigger picture, maybe both sides can ignore the fact, as it has no grounds apart from possibly showing a vested interest.
Ignoring all presumptions and assumptions about conspiracy and sickies: The defenses expert opinion (and by 'expert' we are referring to a service and level required by public bodies themselves) was overruled by a judges PRESUMPTION who had ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.
I take my hat off to you Ramtec.
The device measures speed in 2 ways. 1. By Doppler radar. 2. By a distance/time-lapse photographic method. Both have to agree within +/- 10%.
The judge will assess the defence case to see if they have explained a likely cause of a power supply fault changing the Doppler measurement from a legal maximum of 30mph and the distance/time measurement by the same amount. That defence was assessed to have failed. IMO that is perfectly reasonable and the judge doesn't have to be a scientist or engineer to make that decision.
ramtec said:
In brief:
1. As if to prove the point made in my original post, some SCPs do test power supply units but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.
2. How many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?
I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.
I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do.
3. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers Ltd effectively in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile.
4. "Our role is to be the professional voice of the service, willing to talk to anyone with a serious interest in policing, because in senior police officers we have the world class knowledge and experience to explain it best. Against that backdrop it seems clear to me that ACPO's private company status, though adopted for good reasons, is now unhelpful and makes little sense to the public..." Sir Hugh Orde Sept 2009
Which SCP has a contracted ACPO employee as a manager?1. As if to prove the point made in my original post, some SCPs do test power supply units but, even then, not all of those, who do test, test in a way that demonstrates a reliable power output.
2. How many courts have acted like Derby Magistrates, in applying the wrong endorsement codes to drivers' licences, then covering up their gaff and failing to inform drivers who have been paying excessive insurance premiums as a result?
I have a letter from the court confirming their error, along with an admission that they don't know how many drivers were affected.
I think it's called 'malfeasance' but 'corruption' will do.
3. Many of the senior SCP managers are contracted ACPO employees. The Association of Chief Police Officers Ltd effectively in charge of SCPs, standards compliance for speed cameras, AND industry liaison? If it weren't quite such a disgustingly blatant conflict of interest, it might just raise a smile.
4. "Our role is to be the professional voice of the service, willing to talk to anyone with a serious interest in policing, because in senior police officers we have the world class knowledge and experience to explain it best. Against that backdrop it seems clear to me that ACPO's private company status, though adopted for good reasons, is now unhelpful and makes little sense to the public..." Sir Hugh Orde Sept 2009
odyssey2200 said:
but for the machine to be operating within the "law" it must be calibrated including having a calibrated power supply, which many don't and many aren't even tested.
Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
It doesn't have to be calibrated but it is better if it is.Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
What says that the power supply must be calibrated.
What law are you referring to that says all of this?
Show us them rules!
grumpy geezer said:
odyssey2200 said:
but for the machine to be operating within the "law" it must be calibrated including having a calibrated power supply, which many don't and many aren't even tested.
Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
It doesn't have to be calibrated but it is better if it is.Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
What says that the power supply must be calibrated.
What law are you referring to that says all of this?
Show us them rules!
odyssey2200 said:
grumpy geezer said:
odyssey2200 said:
but for the machine to be operating within the "law" it must be calibrated including having a calibrated power supply, which many don't and many aren't even tested.
Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
It doesn't have to be calibrated but it is better if it is.Rules is rules and it cuts both ways.
What says that the power supply must be calibrated.
What law are you referring to that says all of this?
Show us them rules!
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