BMW X5 Police Car

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mrmr96

13,736 posts

206 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?

Essel

468 posts

148 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Greendubber said:
I think that ones Trumpton brass.
Ooh, they get better cars than you?smile. I thought all brass cars stayed in the car park till half four when they knock off?

mph1977

12,467 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.

I have no issue with it, as prefer them to run around in decent vehicles.

The bit I cannot figure ...........why the Police are not allowed to "keep" the impounded vehicles and use them eg the number of decent 4x4's and German tackle, that the undesirables own and surely must be impounded would beggar belief.
PUWER ( provision and use of work equipment regulations) pure and simple , if you do not have full and verifiable history on vehicle and there's a mechanical failure or collision where the mechanical condition of the vehicle is brought into the slightest bit of question ...

Corporate Manslaughter is not the only piece of legislation which effects the choices of organisations in how they procure equipment of any nature

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Christ on a bike, you lot are so easily offended.

simoid

19,772 posts

160 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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mrmr96 said:
T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
A half price BMW might be cheaper than a 2/3 price Skoda.

Who said the Skodas are half list price?

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Why do Mounted Section have such nice ponies?

mph1977

12,467 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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4key said:
And the bloody NHS are at it aswell, Mercedes sprinters and BMW bikes. Whats wrong with transits and cub 90's? Heaven knows why the fire brigade need all of that high powered stuff too, taking the piss with my taxes I tell ya! wink
same ol' bks as the green eyed rantings about the police and their vehicles ...

there's only five choices from three makers for A+E ambulance base vehicleat present

Sprinter van or chassis cab, Transit chassis cab and Fiat/Peugoet/Citroen van

cost wise i don;t think there's a lot in it

and the number of motorcycles the NHS use is vanishingly small (London , Birmingham and a few in the south west) - you do realise how much kit is carried by the bikes ( whether pedal of motorcycle) don't you

simoid

19,772 posts

160 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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mph1977 said:
4key said:
And the bloody NHS are at it aswell, Mercedes sprinters and BMW bikes. Whats wrong with transits and cub 90's? Heaven knows why the fire brigade need all of that high powered stuff too, taking the piss with my taxes I tell ya! wink
same ol' bks as the green eyed rantings about the police and their vehicles ...

there's only five choices from three makers for A+E ambulance base vehicleat present

Sprinter van or chassis cab, Transit chassis cab and Fiat/Peugoet/Citroen van

cost wise i don;t think there's a lot in it

and the number of motorcycles the NHS use is vanishingly small (London , Birmingham and a few in the south west) - you do realise how much kit is carried by the bikes ( whether pedal of motorcycle) don't you
There was a winky face...

wink

Elroy Blue

8,692 posts

194 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Crossflow Kid said:
Why do Mounted Section have such nice ponies?
I know. I'm sure the Blackpool donkeys would do the job just as well.

TangerinePool

1,385 posts

192 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Why do Mounted Section have such nice ponies?
I know. I'm sure the Blackpool donkeys would do the job just as well.
Don't you be besmirching one of the finest attractions of my hometown copper!

They can manage a light er... trundle biggrin

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Elroy Blue said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Why do Mounted Section have such nice ponies?
I know. I'm sure the Blackpool donkeys would do the job just as well.
So do horses have to go through all this accelerate-brake-accelerate-brake-accelerate-brake stuff too?

Distant

2,348 posts

195 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Yep, plus the sausage roll swerve test.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

206 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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simoid said:
mrmr96 said:
T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
A half price BMW might be cheaper than a 2/3 price Skoda.

Who said the Skodas are half list price?
It's just a general point that just because BMW's may well be 50% off list, it doesn't implicitly mean they are the best value. Better than I can get as a punter, but it's not comparing apples with apples. You'd need to compare the discount offers from each manufacturer to know that. Hence why T5R's point is a bit meaningless in isolation, because whilst it says something about the price vs. list it doesn't say anything about value for money - which is what taxpayers will want to see.

simoid

19,772 posts

160 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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mrmr96 said:
simoid said:
mrmr96 said:
T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
A half price BMW might be cheaper than a 2/3 price Skoda.

Who said the Skodas are half list price?
It's just a general point that just because BMW's may well be 50% off list, it doesn't implicitly mean they are the best value. Better than I can get as a punter, but it's not comparing apples with apples. You'd need to compare the discount offers from each manufacturer to know that. Hence why T5R's point is a bit meaningless in isolation, because whilst it says something about the price vs. list it doesn't say anything about value for money - which is what taxpayers will want to see.
Indeed - we don't know what price they pay.

We don't know what premium they pay for a BMW.

Even if the Beemer is a couple of grand more than an Octavia in terms of purchase prices, is it more reliable in the Police's experience?

Does the BMW do a better job? I would think it does, TBH.


Furry Exocet

3,011 posts

183 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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mrmr96 said:
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
It's not quite as simple as that (VAG cars aren't as discounted as the others) BMW won the contract we have due to the cost and length of warranty, none of the others could match it (we also purchase with another force and get them at a considerable discount)

Our Skoda VRS was an absolute dog to drive after 70k and spent a lot of time in the workshop (our ARV's like their Skoda though smile we do buy a mixture)

Elroy Blue

8,692 posts

194 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Our BMW 5 series reach 200'000m with routine servicing. That is important. They are a tool. They are no good if they are in the garage. And 18 months later, people still want to pay decent money for them.

Now if we could get a Mondeo that meets the carrying capacity, weight limits, is Police Spec, has been type approved and is offered for peanuts then I'm sure it would be considered.

But who wants to buy a 200'000m Mondeo. The BMW gets a much better return, which adds to the cheaper through life costs. I personally couldn't give a toss what I drive if it does the job. But having been hit while stationary on the hard shoulder by a HGV, I can vouch that a 5 series is a nice, safe place to sit.

zetec

4,472 posts

253 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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simoid said:
mrmr96 said:
T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
A half price BMW might be cheaper than a 2/3 price Skoda.

Who said the Skodas are half list price?
If a scrote decides to reverse at full chat to try and damage a pursuing Police car, which vehicle will sustain the least damage and be able to carry on the chase? A BMW X5 or a Skoda Yeti?

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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zetec said:
simoid said:
mrmr96 said:
T5R+ said:
Do not forget that they pay half or so price.
Yes, but a half price Skoda is still cheaper than a half price BMW, isn't it?
A half price BMW might be cheaper than a 2/3 price Skoda.

Who said the Skodas are half list price?
If a scrote decides to reverse at full chat to try and damage a pursuing Police car, which vehicle will sustain the least damage and be able to carry on the chase? A BMW X5 or a Skoda Yeti?
Is that really part of the type approval test?

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

199 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Crossflow Kid said:
Is that really part of the type approval test?
X5s are used as motorway cars so yes safety is a consideration. The vRS is quick but it is more fatiguing at high speed, the seats are worse, the driving position less advantageous, it can't tow large vehicles, it's not as good in winter, etc.

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Whatever, it all went down hill when the Range Rover Classic and Rover SD1 were withdrawn frown
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