could I get in trouble for this...
Discussion
Here is what'll happen.
If you tap on his window and ask him politely if he would kindly mind moving to help others?
HE WILL NOT BUDGE AND YOULL GET AN EARFUL.
If you speak to the school and persuade them to police the coaches.
HE WILL INORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES!
If you speak to the school and they change the designation of spaces.
HE WILL IGNORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES.
We've all come across this type of person and unfortunately they have no consideration for others only themselves. The answer is to be more awkward and block him in or ignore it.
If you tap on his window and ask him politely if he would kindly mind moving to help others?
HE WILL NOT BUDGE AND YOULL GET AN EARFUL.
If you speak to the school and persuade them to police the coaches.
HE WILL INORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES!
If you speak to the school and they change the designation of spaces.
HE WILL IGNORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES.
We've all come across this type of person and unfortunately they have no consideration for others only themselves. The answer is to be more awkward and block him in or ignore it.
lord trumpton said:
The chap has spoken to the councillor and asked him to consider the request from the head. The councillor pulls the 'do you know who I am' card and flashes his own blue badge saying he is entitled to use the space.
The simple answer to this, is "Yes, the selfish, awkward b
d who makes it difficult for those who are already struggling"
Does he actually get out of the car whist waiting? I'm sure in the guidance it says something along the lines that the disabled person should make use of the parking I.e. Get out and go..... Wherever. Not, as unfortunately happens too often, they stay in the car blocking a blue badge bay at a supermarket whilst some family member does their shopping for them, or variations on that.
He seldom gets off his arse and just waits in the car with his wife. Both of them just stare dead ahead and don't utter a word to one another.
The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
lord trumpton said:
He seldom gets off his arse and just waits in the car with his wife. Both of them just stare dead ahead and don't utter a word to one another.
The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
You can't give jobs when it's councillors. If they are parish councillors they may well stand uncontested as typically no bugger wants the role.The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
I'm not sure slagging them off is dignifying your cause. Others may agree with you. But in what seems to be 24 hours they've taken the hint.
Jonsv8 said:
lord trumpton said:
He seldom gets off his arse and just waits in the car with his wife. Both of them just stare dead ahead and don't utter a word to one another.
The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
You can't give jobs when it's councillors. If they are parish councillors they may well stand uncontested as typically no bugger wants the role.The child in question is either picked up by her grandparents (the councillor and his wife) or her Father.
The Father has started to play ball and does not park in a disabled bay since the head issued the letter. Today the grandparents have followed suit and didn't take up a bay. It was good to see to parents making use of the bays and they were being used as they should be.
A bit more dirt...the little girl in question was in attendance at another school in another borough but has only recently (last 2 years) started at the school and she was taken out of her last school as the parents created a stink about something.
The grandparents - Grandfather is a long standing conservative member and a councillor for the town in question. He Miserable wife has also been voted onto the board.
The Father - he has also recently been voted in.
Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
Anyway Ive decided that if school fail to manage the situation then I will take pics and report im to his superiors and or the local rag. Some people only respond to this type of thing and there is no talking to them
I'm not sure slagging them off is dignifying your cause. Others may agree with you. But in what seems to be 24 hours they've taken the hint.
Just frustration I guess.
I'm a long term carer for my 20 year old daughter who has PMLD and has needed a wheelchair for mobility most of her life. In the life that parents of disabled children lead there are so many frustrations, anxieties, and such a massive concern for a dearly loved child who will become an adult in a world that is ill at ease with disability. There are times that you are going to have to be have to be kind to yourself. I have met all manner of selfish, ignorant, nasty individuals who resent my daughter having a blue badge because I can park nearer the entrance to a supermarket. People tut and sigh because her wheelchair takes up space on crowded pavements. They whinge that she gets a motability car that is funded entirely by herself out of her DLA. But not one of these people would willingly swap their lives for hers and deal with the pain and crap she has had to put up with. Not one.
I have stopped being angry with these people. They don't matter and you cannot live your life being angry. You can't bring up your children being angry. Selfish people create a future for themselves that they richly deserve. To the OP. Just let it go man - it's a small dispute with a man who is incapable of seeing how his entitlements do not absolve him from responsibilities. And best of luck with the road you will have to travel because it's bumpy. My daughter gives the very best of herself to those around her everyday and she tries so very hard to be kind and friendly so that people value her individuality rather than focus on her obvious differences. So who is really the disabled one here ?
I have stopped being angry with these people. They don't matter and you cannot live your life being angry. You can't bring up your children being angry. Selfish people create a future for themselves that they richly deserve. To the OP. Just let it go man - it's a small dispute with a man who is incapable of seeing how his entitlements do not absolve him from responsibilities. And best of luck with the road you will have to travel because it's bumpy. My daughter gives the very best of herself to those around her everyday and she tries so very hard to be kind and friendly so that people value her individuality rather than focus on her obvious differences. So who is really the disabled one here ?
Edited by poolyman on Wednesday 24th June 00:02
I've not read anything but the first/last post by the OP
But, if it were me (and I'm a LA Architect) I'd be talking to the Councils Education/property department to see if there is the possibility of improving the drop off provision, either by space or timing
Lets face it, there is always some tt who thinks they are above the rules. Council member or not. and if the above isn't possible then the situation should be managed properly within the constraints of schools travel plan
good luck OP
But, if it were me (and I'm a LA Architect) I'd be talking to the Councils Education/property department to see if there is the possibility of improving the drop off provision, either by space or timing
Lets face it, there is always some t
t who thinks they are above the rules. Council member or not. and if the above isn't possible then the situation should be managed properly within the constraints of schools travel plangood luck OP
poolyman said:
I'm a long term carer for my 20 year old daughter who has PMLD and has needed a wheelchair for mobility most of her life. In the life that parents of disabled children lead there are so many frustrations, anxieties, and such a massive concern for a dearly loved child who will become an adult in a world that is ill at ease with disability. There are times that you are going to have to be have to be kind to yourself. I have met all manner of selfish, ignorant, nasty individuals who resent my daughter having a blue badge because I can park nearer the entrance to a supermarket. People tut and sigh because her wheelchair takes up space on crowded pavements. They whinge that she gets a motability car that is funded entirely by herself out of her DLA. But not one of these people would willingly swap their lives for hers and deal with the pain and crap she has had to put up with. Not one.
I have stopped being angry with these people. They don't matter and you cannot live your life being angry. You can't bring up your children being angry. Selfish people create a future for themselves that they richly deserve. To the OP. Just let it go man - it's a small dispute with a man who is incapable of seeing how his entitlements do not absolve him from responsibilities. And best of luck with the road you will have to travel because it's bumpy. My daughter gives the very best of herself to those around her everyday and she tries so very hard to be kind and friendly so that people value her individuality rather than focus on her obvious differences. So who is really the disabled one here ?
Thank you - I can totally relate to every word. I have stopped being angry with these people. They don't matter and you cannot live your life being angry. You can't bring up your children being angry. Selfish people create a future for themselves that they richly deserve. To the OP. Just let it go man - it's a small dispute with a man who is incapable of seeing how his entitlements do not absolve him from responsibilities. And best of luck with the road you will have to travel because it's bumpy. My daughter gives the very best of herself to those around her everyday and she tries so very hard to be kind and friendly so that people value her individuality rather than focus on her obvious differences. So who is really the disabled one here ?
Edited by poolyman on Wednesday 24th June 00:02
Thankyou4calling said:
Here is what'll happen.
If you tap on his window and ask him politely if he would kindly mind moving to help others?
HE WILL NOT BUDGE AND YOULL GET AN EARFUL.
If you speak to the school and persuade them to police the coaches.
HE WILL INORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES!
If you speak to the school and they change the designation of spaces.
HE WILL IGNORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES.
We've all come across this type of person and unfortunately they have no consideration for others only themselves. The answer is to be more awkward and block him in or ignore it.
But when the signs go up the school can enforce it, even ban him from the site and people can name and shame him.If you tap on his window and ask him politely if he would kindly mind moving to help others?
HE WILL NOT BUDGE AND YOULL GET AN EARFUL.
If you speak to the school and persuade them to police the coaches.
HE WILL INORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES!
If you speak to the school and they change the designation of spaces.
HE WILL IGNORE THAT AND PARK WHERE THE HELL HE LIKES.
We've all come across this type of person and unfortunately they have no consideration for others only themselves. The answer is to be more awkward and block him in or ignore it.
I've not read every response to the OP but I attack this on 4 fronts
1. Facebook - name and shame him on his facebook page. A council member abusing his position always makes great press, might even make the papers
2. School changes the spaces - Its a school, private land so blue badge doesnt apply. Have a sign put up in front of the spaces - 'Parking for wheelchair access required at all times (or something similar). Do not park here if collecting/dropping off only'. Then when he keeps doing it ask the school to ban him from site.
3. Blue badge - Get in touch with the issuers of the blue badge, I believe they take a very dim view of people abusing the system and this sounds like exactly that. He doesnt need to park in a disabled bay and by doing so he is preventing people with a genuine need from using it.
4. Number of spaces. Approach the school and point out that they are effectively only providing 1 disabled bay as the other is permanently reserved the the local councillor. As they have a number of disabled pupils they have an obligation to provide a sufficient number of spaces for the purpose of wheelchair users being dropped off. Suggest they convert 3 other spaces into 2 new disabled spaces. You may need to approach the county council and wave the disabled badge to get this done.
Also related to No.4 get on that councillors facebook page and point out that due to his importance as a councillor he now has a reserved space at the school forcing them to remove 3 parking spaces from general use thus making parking more difficult for other parents.... I think that would certainly be of interest to the daily mail.
It really really pisses me off when people with blue badges abuse the system , mr Mrs qualifies but doesnt have one as she can still get about ok. I'd be all over this if I was you and shouting about it in a very public way.
1. Facebook - name and shame him on his facebook page. A council member abusing his position always makes great press, might even make the papers
2. School changes the spaces - Its a school, private land so blue badge doesnt apply. Have a sign put up in front of the spaces - 'Parking for wheelchair access required at all times (or something similar). Do not park here if collecting/dropping off only'. Then when he keeps doing it ask the school to ban him from site.
3. Blue badge - Get in touch with the issuers of the blue badge, I believe they take a very dim view of people abusing the system and this sounds like exactly that. He doesnt need to park in a disabled bay and by doing so he is preventing people with a genuine need from using it.
4. Number of spaces. Approach the school and point out that they are effectively only providing 1 disabled bay as the other is permanently reserved the the local councillor. As they have a number of disabled pupils they have an obligation to provide a sufficient number of spaces for the purpose of wheelchair users being dropped off. Suggest they convert 3 other spaces into 2 new disabled spaces. You may need to approach the county council and wave the disabled badge to get this done.
Also related to No.4 get on that councillors facebook page and point out that due to his importance as a councillor he now has a reserved space at the school forcing them to remove 3 parking spaces from general use thus making parking more difficult for other parents.... I think that would certainly be of interest to the daily mail.
It really really pisses me off when people with blue badges abuse the system , mr Mrs qualifies but doesnt have one as she can still get about ok. I'd be all over this if I was you and shouting about it in a very public way.
lord trumpton said:
Thank you - I can totally relate to every word.
As I can. My six year old daughter has cerebral palsy, uses a wheelchair and a key walker. We have a blue badge. We do get the tuts and sighs as well, and I have been stared at by older people when I leap out of the car when parked in a disabled bay, only for them to shuffle off when I left the wheelchair out of the car. It seems that a lot of people want to use disabled facilities, i.e car park spaces, disabled toilets, lifts to walk up one flight of stairs, but they wouldn't want to swap places with my daughter who will struggle to be understood and faces difficulties for the rest of her life.Having a disabled child is bloody hard work, physically and mentally. Try not to let unimportant things bother you. Easier said than done I know.
I have to say that for every utter moron I meet, we meet some fantastic people who really understand.
PoleDriver said:
It's about time that councils clamped down on Blue-Badge abusers!
So many of them think that it's a licence to park anywhere they like.
From.gov
We often have people parking half way across the entrance to the next door pub's car park entrance and blocking my drive. There are double yellow lines and a dropped kerb. Coming out of the drive is perilous as you often can't see traffic coming from the right until half your car is in the road!
I have to go in to find the driver sometimes and they always say "I'm allowed to park there, Blue-Badge!"
Ignorants! My father had a Blue Badge for most of his life and he would never park in such a way as to inconvenience anybody else!
The Blue Badge gives an exemption from the prohibition on parking on double yellows but does not permit it across a dropped kerb*. Preventing access from a property to the public highway can (and should) attract a PCN. Or better still, get the vehcle impounded.So many of them think that it's a licence to park anywhere they like.
From.gov
We often have people parking half way across the entrance to the next door pub's car park entrance and blocking my drive. There are double yellow lines and a dropped kerb. Coming out of the drive is perilous as you often can't see traffic coming from the right until half your car is in the road!
I have to go in to find the driver sometimes and they always say "I'm allowed to park there, Blue-Badge!"
Ignorant
s! My father had a Blue Badge for most of his life and he would never park in such a way as to inconvenience anybody else!* Again, this is stated in the Scheme rules. As this document is issued to all successful applicants, there is no excuse for any badge holder to be ignorant about their rights and responsibilities. Unfortunately a lot of them seem to think it gives them a carte blanche exemption from every restriction.
PAULJ5555 said:
But when the signs go up the school can enforce it, even ban him from the site and people can name and shame him.
I agree but if this guy is the sort he sounds like he will be so flipping awkward that it won't be worth the bother.Change the signs and as a point of principle he will park there even when he doesn't need to.
Get someone in a high vis with clipboard to approach and point out the signs, he'll ignore them and if they were to put a ticket on his windscreen he'd claim invasion of privacy and criminal damage.
Ban him? imagine how you'd have to go about doing that and enforcing it on private łand with an undated entrance.
I'd hope the guy sees reason and just does the decent thing but we all know those who will make a point to prove a point and he sounds weapons grade.
It's clear that this man needs someone to have a word with him.
But consider more positive options - its clear to me from your posts that the parking situation in general is inadequate for everyone's needs. You could appeal to his experience as a local big wig to campaign for changes to the parking at the school.
One suggested idea, given in ignorance of the facts about the school and grounds layout; is that you could suggest every space is widened; and have different starting and finishing times. If there is enough spaces, assign specific parking spaces for a particular child at each start / end time.
Just trying to think outside the box... you, and everyone else there seems reluctant to confront this man. So work with him and see if you can make everyone's lives easier.
But consider more positive options - its clear to me from your posts that the parking situation in general is inadequate for everyone's needs. You could appeal to his experience as a local big wig to campaign for changes to the parking at the school.
One suggested idea, given in ignorance of the facts about the school and grounds layout; is that you could suggest every space is widened; and have different starting and finishing times. If there is enough spaces, assign specific parking spaces for a particular child at each start / end time.
Just trying to think outside the box... you, and everyone else there seems reluctant to confront this man. So work with him and see if you can make everyone's lives easier.
Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff