Laser Jammers - Why?

[Tonyrec]

I read many posts on here from people who have Laser Jammers.

I ask this very simple question, "Why have them"?

To me, people have them so that they can drive the way that they want to...(often breaking the Law) with minimal risk of getting caught.

Does that say something about your standard of driving?

This is purely out of interest and im not castigating anyone in particular

[mustard]

Dont have one personally, but can certainly see the usefullness under the current revenue driven scheme of things.

As with any crime as the technology increases to catch the 'criminal' increases the criminal has to 'up' the game.

And thats what speeding motorists are ar'nt they OH or so we keep being told!

[David A]

Easy to answer - don't want to get points/fine for a minor indiscretion. Its not a case of I've got one so I can speed through traps. To me they are kindof the equivilent of a big sign saying you are breaking the limit slow down, rather than you have broken the limit do it again and lose your licence. I have more confidence in the descretion of the BIB than the indescrtion of civies operating a camera. As you know its easy to cough/fart and increase from 28mph to 37mph in the cars a lot of us have on here or for the speed to creep up. but its not necessarily that there is a lack of concentration/awareness of the limit etc. Have no prob with more BIB on the road dishing out advice/warnings/slap on wrists etc.

Dave

p.s. don't know if the bloody thing works - never been past a talivan in it yet!!

[r32]

Tonyrec said:

... Does that say something about your standard of driving?

Do you class 80mph on the motorway as a bad standard of driving? (conditions obliging of course )

Well the talivans sat on the bridges certainly give out tickets for that speed, so the question for you Tony, is do you judge peoples standard of driving purely by the speed they drive at? (as the talivans do)



>> Edited by r32 on Sunday 6th June 16:16

[Zod]

This is just the same as the question "Why do you break the speed limit?". A jammer does not allow you to drive around at three figure speeds with impunity. It merely gives you warning of a laser trap to allow you to slow down and not get three points.

[edc]

I drove past Hants police at 80+ (on the clock)on the M-way with their device pointing at me (myslef plus one other car around). They did pull me over - to tell me something was hanging off my car.

[mustard]

edc said:

I drove past Hants police at 80+ (on the clock)on the M-way with their device pointing at me (myslef plus one other car around). They did pull me over - to tell me something was hanging off my car.

Thats the point, The human element of descretion, something no talivan or speed camera understands

As far as its concerned 80mph in the dry is just as bad as 80mph when its snowing!

[Tonyrec]

r32 said:

Do you class 80mph on the motorway as a bad standard of driving? (conditions obliging of course ) Well the talivans sat on the bridges certainly give out tickets for that speed, so the question for you Tony, is do you judge peoples standard of driving purely by the speed they drive at? (as the talivans do)

No i dont class 80mph on the Motorway as a bad standard of driving at all,given the right circumstances.

No i dont judge peoples standard of driving purely from the speed that they drive at.
By the same token...inappropriate speed as im sure that we will all agree is a very good indication.

Only today, on the way into work i saw some pr*ck doing an inside undertake of 5 cars at a speed that i would say was in excess of 100mph.
These are the people that we concentrate on and i can assure you that it is extremely satisfying to deal with someone like this whilst on duty.

[Tonyrec]

Saw an advert today for a Laser detector and was amused to see that it was promoting itself on the fact that it would pick up things on the road that you as a driver would miss

Makes me wonder what the standard of drivers is that have/and who do rely on these 'devices' to spot Gatsos and the like.

It just seems very Chaz to me.

Edited to say that its better to spend the £400 or so on some further training to enhance your awareness/car control.

>> Edited by Tonyrec on Sunday 6th June 17:19

[JamieBeeston]

Tonyrec said:

No i dont class 80mph on the Motorway as a bad standard of driving at all,given the right circumstances.

You dont, those operating the new 1 mile range super lasers, coupled with those operating Revenue generation mobiles DO.

Thats why a Jammer may well find its way on to some peoples cars.

80 on a motorway is 10mpg over the limit, what would that earn us on the new 2pts 3pts 4pts system, 4pts and a larger fine...?

Thats why methinks.

[Pies]

Tonyrec said:

Edited to say that its better to spend the £400 or so on some further training to enhance your awareness/car control.

Or Spend a tenner on a certain book (roadcraft)

well its a start

I'll answer your question with a question

Why have the tallivans in the first place ?

To me this does little for road safety,far better to have more coppers on the roads doing proper enforcement of he traffic laws,and if somebody is abusing them they are delt with there and then.This way the driver can be educated rather than just penalised.After all most prisioners receive education as well as punishment.
If the current system is continued with i forsee sever problems for police/public relations.I know its not the officers fault, but unfortunately they are at the sharp end.


>> Edited by Pies on Sunday 6th June 18:01

[JamieBeeston]

A book, or driver awareness, whilst great, wont protect you from an 80mph Laser Reading on the Motorway tho!

[james_j]

Tonyrec said:

Does that say something about your standard of driving?

Why raise doubts as to someone's standard of driving just because they may prefer concentrating on their quality (or standard) of driving and not have to worry about punishment without trial for exceeding limits that are often way too low?

I think we have established on this site that speed and quality of driving can usually be considered to be separate issues.

[WildCat]

Tonyrec said:

Saw an advert today for a Laser detector and was amused to see that it was promoting itself on the fact that it would pick up things on the road that you as a driver would miss Makes me wonder what the standard of drivers is that have/and who do rely on these 'devices' to spot Gatsos and the like. It just seems very Chaz to me. Edited to say that its better to spend the £400 or so on some further training to enhance your awareness/car control. >> Edited by Tonyrec on Sunday 6th June 17:19

If I have told you once - I have told you before TonyR, Liebchen ...


.... Come up t' North! Have Rec round LanCASH£re - and then tell us savvy Northerners why we do not need a b2 to tell us where they hid some of these scams!

Fave ploy - reduce speed limit, retain the odd repeater and remove it when challenged, hide the scam device behind another street sign or bus shelter so that it is invisible from your field of visions, and icing on the cakes - set them all to ping at 31-32mph (despite what the scammers say to contrary - too many stories floating around up here about this) so that you can offer a speed course (or caution now -if they can be believed - for this "offence").

But reason why I have one is not for the scam alert - I can weigh up the road and guess where the scaam-merchants will have put them - and I am always right! Always! That is how I can ditch that tailgater bang in front of them so easily. Same with talivans. Very easy to work out where they may hide - if you are astute! Not where danger point is - but where camber and gradient and road polish/surface are most likely to affect my vehicle's velocity by marginal amount! And thus make them some money - though they will have as hard job as I can muster to get their thievin' mits on my cash and bruise my licence! I am not daft! Nor am I reckless - ever! (Know exactly what a crunch feels like - after all!)

But ..you take a good long hard look at every scam siting in this country - and I have travelled extensively here and abroad (business on occasion, but mostly pleasure) - and each scam in UK possesses those above road qualities - fleece ones as opposed to safety ones. And - they have them in EU - and Switzerland is 3mph above across each speed zone (hidden in bins etc) - but not one is as sinisterly nor as thievingly sited as here!

Also - talivan twits - always at speed limit change - pinging Joe Average just as he sees the higher limit and presses his foot on throttle. Only he increases speed just before he reaches the sign - and gets done for it! You know where they are - if you are astute. But nice confirmation and early alert means you have time to double check - in case you have blipped over.

But --- I simply like having the speedo on top of the dash - bang in front of my field of vision - so that I can keep that speed check and hazard check without glance down! I also like the gadget telling me I am nearing a school - tucked down some side street.

So far not gone down the jammer route - look up their planned mobile sites on their official web sites anyway -- and locally -- know all their hidey holes around here anyway... M6 Bridge at Shap - and if not there - they have fave sites along A591/A590/A595/A596/A74/A7/A66/A6/A584 etc etc. Know exactly where they hide - and they are after me! Especially after the fiasco with our driveway and their parking up there to mug passing motorists That is why they have abandoned Shap and why you all now nice clear run up the M6 to Scotland and back!

Also tourist season in our pretty Lake District - so these pretty roads are much much more lucrative than Shap at moment. All you tourists from the South - you miss our 20mph zones - and warning - the cycle
lanes at Ambleside ---a sick joke - if you hire a bike there - get off and push - much safer!

Lancs? Bridges in-between Lancaster Services was fave a month or so back. Now they will be along A59 towards Clitheroe, Ribble Valley and the Hills, along the coastal routes to Blackpool (where there are literally forests of these along A583 and promenade - one concentration lapse - and you will be had!).

[deltaf]

Well i have one or two simply to deny the revenue hunters their pound of flesh.

What this is all about Tonyrec me old pumpkin, is not making us safer drivers, its about getting as many hits per day to get the cash donation scam on target, thats why guys like you are soon to be redundant, replaced by a twat in a van pointing a gun at folks, or good ol pc gatso on a pole.

Now why should anyone want to just drive slowly if it does sweet bugger all to improve safety?
Hence its about "them", the unworthy officials TELLING us to do something just cos they say so.
They know full well we wont so theyre quids in aint they?
So theres the reason for the jammer. They try to screw me, i know i can screw them doubly.
I dont have any bad feelings towards trafpols patrolling in marked cars making their prescence known, cos as we all know, that policy is the one that gets bad drivers off the roads and makes it safer for us all.

[yertis]

Tonyrec said:

Saw an advert today for a Laser detector and was amused to see that it was promoting itself on the fact that it would pick up things on the road that you as a driver would miss Makes me wonder what the standard of drivers is that have/and who do rely on these 'devices' to spot Gatsos and the like. It just seems very Chaz to me. Edited to say that its better to spend the £400 or so on some further training to enhance your awareness/car control. >> Edited by Tonyrec on Sunday 6th June 17:19

The drivers to which you refer are those who prefer to keep their eyes on the road and drive according to the conditions rather than be constantly heads down on the speedo whilst simultaneously surveying the roadside for cameras/talivans/recently reduced speed limits/etc.

Surely anything which enables the driver to concentrate on the job in hand is a good thing?

[cptsideways]

40-50k miles a year or 1k miles a week for me for the past 15 years, last two years or so I've been passing talivans at the rate of 2-3 a day most days of the week. One day I counted 8 of the . The chance of getting done for a stupid non dangerous speed error is now far too high.

In those past 15 years I have not been in or caused a single accident, so my record says I'm fairly safe. I believe the Mr Average statistics say I should have had multiples of accidents after that mileage.

I've had an sp60 for doing Autobahn speeds down an empty A303 after returning from Germany. Fair cop but I was no danger to anyone, & have been talivanned on the "Dual carriageway" Aldershot Bypass at 36mph FFS

I now consider it a necessity to have one, my licence is at far greater risk than me having an accident, how stupid is that?

This year I've passed on my business interests to european suppliers so I don't have to drive all the country any more. This is almost purely due to me not wishing to risk my licence any further.

I've done my advanced, had some other informal training by trafpol mates, use roadcraft religously, all very usefull stuff by the way.


The risk of me not having a jammer is far too stupid to comprehend.

[stevecallaghan]

WildCat said:

But reason why I have one is not for the scam alert - I can weigh up the road and guess where the scaam-merchants will have put them - and I am always right! Always! That is how I can ditch that tailgater bang in front of them so easily. Same with talivans. Very easy to work out where they may hide - if you are astute! Not where danger point is - but where camber and gradient and road polish/surface are most likely to affect my vehicle's velocity by marginal amount! And thus make them some money - though they will have as hard job as I can muster to get their thievin' mits on my cash and bruise my licence! I am not daft! Nor am I reckless - ever! (Know exactly what a crunch feels like - after all!) But ..you take a good long hard look at every scam siting in this country - and I have travelled extensively here and abroad (business on occasion, but mostly pleasure) - and each scam in UK possesses those above road qualities - fleece ones as opposed to safety ones. And - they have them in EU - and Switzerland is 3mph above across each speed zone (hidden in bins etc) - but not one is as sinisterly nor as thievingly sited as here! Also - talivan twits - always at speed limit change - pinging Joe Average just as he sees the higher limit and presses his foot on throttle. Only he increases speed just before he reaches the sign - and gets done for it! You know where they are - if you are astute. But nice confirmation and early alert means you have time to double check - in case you have blipped over. But --- I simply like having the speedo on top of the dash - bang in front of my field of vision - so that I can keep that speed check and hazard check without glance down! I also like the gadget telling me I am nearing a school - tucked down some side street. So far not gone down the jammer route - look up their planned mobile sites on their official web sites anyway -- and locally -- know all their hidey holes around here anyway... M6 Bridge at Shap - and if not there - they have fave sites along A591/A590/A595/A596/A74/A7/A66/A6/A584 etc etc. Know exactly where they hide - and they are after me! Especially after the fiasco with our driveway and their parking up there to mug passing motorists That is why they have abandoned Shap and why you all now nice clear run up the M6 to Scotland and back! Also tourist season in our pretty Lake District - so these pretty roads are much much more lucrative than Shap at moment. All you tourists from the South - you miss our 20mph zones - and warning - the cycle lanes at Ambleside ---a sick joke - if you hire a bike there - get off and push - much safer!

I've never heard so muck bo*/o*ks.

I place the camers in Cumbria and I can confirm:
1. I don't hide them
2. I know of no "smooth road method of placing cameras. Quite bizarre.
3. Shap has not repeat not been abandoned.
4. We continue to enforce the speed limits on the M6 as it is one of our worst accident sites/roads
5. We will pursue any jammer laden vehicle/driver we detect, yes we can detect them,through the courts

Please ignore the wild cat advice here it's, well, just wild.

Cheers SteveC

[Pies]

stevecallaghan said:

5. We will pursue any jammer laden vehicle/driver we detect, yes we can detect them,through the courts Cheers SteveC

welcome

just a quick question how many drivers have you prosceuted for having a jammer,excluding cautions?

[cptsideways]

Can I ask how many "private" miles a year you do Tony or the other bib on here?