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chassis 33

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6,194 posts

305 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Am having a highly productive morning in the office, doing a bit of a trawl of the net and found this website

www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/survey.php

The results of their own survey must be slightly embarrasing!!!

Regards
Iain

james_j

3,996 posts

278 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Embarrasing? Yes just a bit!

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Or alternative;

Honesty, transparancy and above board......


(I'm not defending them...just pointing out the obvious)

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Clang!!!! what was that! Well at least they asked, so I voted.

MilnerR

8,273 posts

281 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Streetcop said:
Or alternative;

Honesty, transparancy and above board......


(I'm not defending them...just pointing out the obvious)



I agree, you've got to applaud them for displaying results that prove they have very little support from the average motorist (whose best interest they allegedly have at heart) .
Then again, they're in such an invulnerable position that what people think of their policies doesn't really matter. The safety partnerships will look on results such as these as more proof that the average motorist doesn't know what's good for them and as such requires more nannying.

>> Edited by MilnerR on Friday 11th February 12:30

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Yep Folks! The vote is still active so get voting all.
Ooops just voted again The vote numbers are still increasing.

click on "the cameras" in the blue strip near the top. Then click on any part of the map. You will then see a vote "yes" or "no" on the right of the screen. Happy voting all!

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Up from 67% to 68% "yes" now! Keep voting!

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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I took the reaction test:

result:

1st time: 0.46s
2nd 0.3s
3rd 0.22s

Might be ok, if my break pedal was in fact a click of a mouse..

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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WOW!!!! I only went to make a cup of tea!......72%

You lot really are working hard out there!

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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only me voting positive...

regmolehusband

4,097 posts

280 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Don't overdo it - they'll only withdraw it if they think it's been affected by multiple voting.

Better to maintain it at its present truly representative result.

regmolehusband

4,097 posts

280 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Just sent.......

Dear Sirs

I would like to point out that the reaction test on your website speaks volumes about your opinion of the average driver and is a reflection of your simplistic view of road safety.

My son and I can easily average less than 0.25 seconds i.e. off the table. I can’t imagine why you should think the table needs to extend well beyond one second reaction time – except that you have a deep misunderstanding of the abilities of the average person. May I suggest that some of you in your office give it a try? Though no doubt working as an extension of the Inland Revenue must send you a little comatose.

Best regards

Reginald Molehusband

>> Edited by regmolehusband on Friday 11th February 14:12

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Aw Gary! You didn't! An' here's me voting to keep your job. I'd still rather see your happy smiling face than a "box brownie" on a stick!

BTW.......75% Yes Now! Guess you're out numbered Gary.

>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 11th February 13:25

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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8Pack said:
Aw Gary! You didn't! An' here's me voting to keep your job. I'd still rather your happy smiling face than a "box brownie" on a stick!

BTW.......75% Yes Now! Guess you're out numbered Gary.




I only voted once, though..

8Pack

5,182 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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I only voted twice, and that was to test whether the vote was increasing.

blademan

493 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Streetcop said:
only me voting positive...

Streety
I am correct in understanding that you "do NOT believe that cameras are just a way of getting money from motorists"
So, further to this, you believe they have a positive benefit to road safety and in fact reduce the number of fatal and seriously injured type accidents?
If so, can you explain.

autismuk

1,529 posts

263 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Streetcop said:
Or alternative;

Honesty, transparancy and above board......

(I'm not defending them...just pointing out the obvious)


.... wonder if there was a big press release about these results. I think (IME) they are generous to the WMScams.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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blademan said:

Streetcop said:
only me voting positive...


Streety
I am correct in understanding that you "do NOT believe that cameras are just a way of getting money from motorists"
So, further to this, you believe they have a positive benefit to road safety and in fact reduce the number of fatal and seriously injured type accidents?
If so, can you explain.


Hiya Bladey..

I believe that speed cameras DO have a positive effect on road safety.

However, I only believe that is when they are placed in the appropriate locations, where RTCs have occured and SPEED is the main contributory factor in those collisions.

I don't agree with hidden cameras. I don't agree with cameras on very straight roads, with no overtaking opportunities, no junction, no bends etc.

I know professionally of camera locations in my force where the numbers of collisions have drastically dropped since the introduction of both fixed cameras and mobile cameras.
Now these sites still have the same volume of traffic, the same style/ages/experience of drivers in the same vehicles, yet collisions have dropped since the cameras have been installed.

I know of many locations where the cameras can only be interested in revenue as the safety aspect is painfully missing, and that detracts from the importance of the other cameras.

I do however, feel the Government of the day is also impressed with the revenue that these cameras now generate and they get a double edges win. They appear to be interested in road safety and also get a return on their investment.

I feel the lack of Trafpol numbers as a result is disgraceful as camera placements can only really benefit road safety, when used in conjunction with a properly equipped, staffed, motivated and valued Road Policing Unit. The unit which detects driving offences like Due Care, dangerous driving, no tax, no seat belts, road rage, tail gaiting, middle lane hogging etc etc.

telecat

8,528 posts

264 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Voted Best reaction time 0.08!

Streetcop

5,907 posts

261 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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telecat said:
Voted Best reaction time 0.08!