Keep Clear vs box junction

[Puggit]

Could one of our learned members please explain the difference to me between these 2 signs on the road? Also the difference in penalties!

Thanks

[falcemob]

Puggit said:

Could one of our learned members please explain the difference to me between these 2 signs on the road? Also the difference in penalties! Thanks

Are you being serious or are you one of the people who constantly block the end of my road up

[streaky]

I have remarked here before that handing out Adult Literacy leaflets to people who block "KEEP CLEAR" junctions can be effective.

Mind you, it's not just the drivers ...



Streaky

[Dwight VanDriver]

Keep Clear - white lines.
Do not block that part of the carriageway indicated.
Advisory but could support a charge of unnecessary obstruction.
1000 fine max.

Box Junction - yellow lines.
Don't enter if your exit is not clear, except when turning right and prevented from doing so by oncoming traffic or other stationary vehicles waiting to turn right.
Mandatory - specific offence of failing to conform to traffic sign.
NOIP required.
Max 1000 notes (more if a larger vehicle) and 3 points.
Camera detectable/prosecution.

DVD

>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Wednesday 16th March 07:37

[puggit]

falcemob said:

Puggit said: Could one of our learned members please explain the difference to me between these 2 signs on the road? Also the difference in penalties! Thanks Are you being serious or are you one of the people who constantly block the end of my road up

There are some box junctions where if you don't move forward and in to the box, someone will jump a long queue by doing the same thing. I figure that it's better to be me then them!!!

As an example I give you the A4 underneath the M4 at jc2. There is a side road that joins from the South Circular (Lionel Road) so they have created a box junction. There are 2 lanes queueing to become one lane on to the slip road, and a 3rd lane which becomes the A4 and is fluid. People leave the A4 lane and grab the empty space on the box junction, unless it is filled by queueing traffic, jumping a 15-20 minute queue.

What would you do?

[einion yrth]

puggit said:

falcemob said: Puggit said: Could one of our learned members please explain the difference to me between these 2 signs on the road? Also the difference in penalties! Thanks Are you being serious or are you one of the people who constantly block the end of my road up There are some box junctions where if you don't move forward and in to the box, someone will jump a long queue by doing the same thing. I figure that it's better to be me then them!!! As an example I give you the A4 underneath the M4 at jc2. There is a side road that joins from the South Circular (Lionel Road) so they have created a box junction. There are 2 lanes queueing to become one lane on to the slip road, and a 3rd lane which becomes the A4 and is fluid. People leave the A4 lane and grab the empty space on the box junction, unless it is filled by queueing traffic, jumping a 15-20 minute queue. What would you do?

rocket propelled grenade?

[Flat in Fifth]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Camera detectable

Does anybody know how these cameras actually work?

Is it like other cameras an untouched by human hand process. (That can be interpreted any way you like. )

Or is it a case of a CCTV being watched live / on tape by an operator who makes an appropriate decision one way or t'other. (Well we can live in hope.)

IMHO with yellow box offences the most important thing to know is how you got into the position. Don't understand how the fully auto system could do that.

>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Wednesday 16th March 09:06

[puggit]

I can only see CCTV being used effectively. But even that might not show the whole picture.

Soon after the new law on box junctions in London came the first successful appeal. Needless to say the London councils were unaware that you can sit in a box if you are turning right and are blocked by oncoming traffic. The adjucator handed out his own rpg for not knowing the law!!

[kevinday]

puggit said:

There are some box junctions where if you don't move forward and in to the box, someone will jump a long queue by doing the same thing. I figure that it's better to be me then them!!! As an example I give you the A4 underneath the M4 at jc2. There is a side road that joins from the South Circular (Lionel Road) so they have created a box junction. There are 2 lanes queueing to become one lane on to the slip road, and a 3rd lane which becomes the A4 and is fluid. People leave the A4 lane and grab the empty space on the box junction, unless it is filled by queueing traffic, jumping a 15-20 minute queue. What would you do?

Find a different route?

[Vipers]

Dont know if "mk6fiesta" was kidding about his interpretation of a box junction and turning right but glad to see Dwight VanDriver is 100% correct, why oh why dont more people know these things.........

The amount of tts who seem to know ziltch about box junctions.

Elswhere I have posted the one about me about to cross a box junction as the lights turned green only to have some tt coming the other way cross my bows to turn right, when I shouted to him to tell him I had the right of way, he informed he had the right of way as HE HAD GOT ON THE BOX FIRST...........

[PhillVR6]

mk6fiesta said:

a Boxed Junction can be entered if your exit to the right is blocked.

No, you can only enter a box if your exit is clear and you wont have to stop on the hatching.

mk6fiesta said:

I said the exact same thing as DVD

No you didn't

>> Edited by PhillVR6 on Tuesday 17th May 10:09

[OBSERVER]

PhillVR6 said:

No, you can only enter a box if your exit is clear and you wont have to stop on the hatching.

No - you can enter a box junction and wait on the hatching if you're intending to turn right and you are ONLY prevented from doing so by oncoming traffic (as DVD said).

[MR2Mike]

Can't say I am very surprised by the apparent ignorance of box juntion useage, though it makes you wonder how people ever pass their tests. Does this question not appear on the theory test?

[brian b]

Just goes to show that perhaps we should all keep an eye on anything new in the HC. I am as bad as anyone, I have not even glanced at one since I passed my test, 26 years ago. Maybe I should invest in one, although I am told there is an online version.

[leosayer]

What happens (with the box jct camera) if your are moving across the box junction where there is a space for one car and someone else from another lane nabs the space instead - leaving you standed in the box junction. This has happened to me in the past.