PCoJ likely outcome?
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http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15069021.Man_due_i...
Some idiot seems to think that the risk of this is less than a £100 fine and a few points, what on earth goes through your mind to think that?
Some idiot seems to think that the risk of this is less than a £100 fine and a few points, what on earth goes through your mind to think that?
Not every speeding offence is £100 and a few points.
If they found something more useful to do with that van (like turning it into an ambulance or giving it to a builder) then this chap wouldn't be in court in the first place (A64, so probably his crime of speeding was a complete non-event in the first place). Laser jammers are a response to the over-zealous enforcement of speed limits where it just doesn't matter. I doubt most who have them do so because they want to drag race past the lollipop lady at chucking out time.
Best of luck to him.
If they found something more useful to do with that van (like turning it into an ambulance or giving it to a builder) then this chap wouldn't be in court in the first place (A64, so probably his crime of speeding was a complete non-event in the first place). Laser jammers are a response to the over-zealous enforcement of speed limits where it just doesn't matter. I doubt most who have them do so because they want to drag race past the lollipop lady at chucking out time.
Best of luck to him.
t news story. Four sentences. Either try and get more information or don't publish.jm doc said:
If you don't plead guilty I have no idea how a prosecutor could prove this. Many of these devices have a completely legal function and are legal to own and have fitted to your car.
The speed gun will have displayed an error message that indicated it was being jammed, presumably the evidence of the operator is that they targeted X's car, got the jammed error message & when stopped X was found to have a working jammer fitted. Up to the court after that.-- Sarge, I know it's like shooting fish in a barrel up here over this rural dual carriageway, but these laser jammers are a real pain - can't we do anything?
-- Not really, but next one you get, let's chuck a PCoJ at him and send to the press office. Might make a few people think about it a bit.
-- Righty-oh.
-- Not really, but next one you get, let's chuck a PCoJ at him and send to the press office. Might make a few people think about it a bit.
-- Righty-oh.
Absolutely ridiculous to get jailed for that. I've seen many cases recently where paedo's have been in court for having 10,000/20,000 or more paedo pics of kids and have got away with suspended sentences.
What sort of society/justice system allows scum like that to live amongst us yet someone avoiding a speeding fine is locked up, probably seriously damaging them and their careers etc. Makes me sick.
What sort of society/justice system allows scum like that to live amongst us yet someone avoiding a speeding fine is locked up, probably seriously damaging them and their careers etc. Makes me sick.
Marvtec said:
Absolutely ridiculous to get jailed for that. I've seen many cases recently where paedo's have been in court for having 10,000/20,000 or more paedo pics of kids and have got away with suspended sentences.
What sort of society/justice system allows scum like that to live amongst us yet someone avoiding a speeding fine is locked up, probably seriously damaging them and their careers etc. Makes me sick.
I'd get more grief for doing 101+ on the Motorway than a useless waster would for a dose of ABH outside 'the Local' on Friday night after the taxpayer (including me) has kept him in beer for the night.What sort of society/justice system allows scum like that to live amongst us yet someone avoiding a speeding fine is locked up, probably seriously damaging them and their careers etc. Makes me sick.
Suck it up.
If you get charged with Perverting the Course of Justice then a custodial sentence is almost certain.
People need to seperate this from the original crime that led to it, because it's largely irrelevant. At the point that you're being done for PCoJ it doesn't matter that you were doing 35 in a 30, or 150 in a 30, etc.
Using a laser jammer is quite patently a deliberate attempt to evade prosecution for speeding offences. That is an objective fact regardless of your opinion of whether there are too many speed cameras, whether speed limits should be higher, whether the Police "should be out catching rapists and murderers" etc.
No one likes being done for speeding, particularly on roads that are (or at least seem to be) safe, when you're in a car that is more than capable of such speeds, etc. Notwithstanding that though as soon as you start trying to evade prosecution you're putting yourself at grave risk of trading whatever (relatively minor in the grand scheme of things) speeding offence for a much more serious, non-motoring Perverting the Course of Justice offence.
People need to seperate this from the original crime that led to it, because it's largely irrelevant. At the point that you're being done for PCoJ it doesn't matter that you were doing 35 in a 30, or 150 in a 30, etc.
Using a laser jammer is quite patently a deliberate attempt to evade prosecution for speeding offences. That is an objective fact regardless of your opinion of whether there are too many speed cameras, whether speed limits should be higher, whether the Police "should be out catching rapists and murderers" etc.
No one likes being done for speeding, particularly on roads that are (or at least seem to be) safe, when you're in a car that is more than capable of such speeds, etc. Notwithstanding that though as soon as you start trying to evade prosecution you're putting yourself at grave risk of trading whatever (relatively minor in the grand scheme of things) speeding offence for a much more serious, non-motoring Perverting the Course of Justice offence.
Edited by Durzel on Sunday 5th February 10:31
The PCoJ offence for evading speeding is quite wrong in my opinion. It think it was designed for a totally different series of crimes than what it is being used for.
Hence why the going equipped analogy works so well. Very much the same in the public perception but seemingly very different in law outcomes.
I wonder when the PCoJ law was brought in how many camera vans were about?
Again, it's seemingly an abuse of the law by an authority using laws for their purpose rather than that which the law makers and public intended.
Hence why the going equipped analogy works so well. Very much the same in the public perception but seemingly very different in law outcomes.
I wonder when the PCoJ law was brought in how many camera vans were about?
Again, it's seemingly an abuse of the law by an authority using laws for their purpose rather than that which the law makers and public intended.
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