What the???? Consistency of punishment
What the???? Consistency of punishment
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fugatso

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563 posts

261 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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Fugatso Girl and I have both been recently caught by scameras in our local town of coleshill. She was caught by a fixed scamera doing 39 in a 30. I was caught 4 days later by a mobile scamera van (that i'm sure was hidden) doing 34 in a 30. Ironic with my login name I know.

Anyway caught and time to face the music. Offences seem basically the same, police force the same, so how is it that Fugatso Girl gets £60 and 3 points and I get the choice of a speed awareness course £60 and no points or the standard £60 and 3 points.

Neither of us has any points at the moment, surely she should have the same options for the same offence??

Am I being stupid or is this yet another illustration of inconsistent punishment within our justice system?

pdV6

16,442 posts

290 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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Doubly weird seeing as she was further over the limit than you...

minimax

11,985 posts

285 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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you were closer to the limit so you get shown a bit more leniency?

fugatso

Original Poster:

563 posts

261 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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yeah but not by much, do you really think thats why I got the option of a lesser punishment, because of 5mph?

pmanson

13,388 posts

282 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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Didn't think they would bother you at 34. (10%+2mph) Obviously starting to lose revenue!

mechsympathy

58,642 posts

284 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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You were going 5mph (ie more than 10%) slower so you get a "choice" of 60 squid lecture or 3pts and the fine.


>> Edited by mechsympathy on Monday 18th July 16:55

MarkBarton

428 posts

292 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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minimax said:
you were closer to the limit so you get shown a bit more leniency?


Yup, my father got the course for 36 in a 30. Not sure what the cutoff is (between 36 and 39, I guess!) but the lesser the offence, the more likely you are to be offered the points and the chance to keep your license clean.

planetdave

9,922 posts

282 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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Seems reasonable. After all 'er indoors was more than twice over what you woz

fugatso

Original Poster:

563 posts

261 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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planetdave said:
Seems reasonable. After all 'er indoors was more than twice over what you woz


yeah I guess so, probably more angry at having been stupid enought to get caught at all really

pdV6

16,442 posts

290 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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minimax said:
you were closer to the limit so you get shown a bit more leniency?

Surely somebody further over the limit is more in need of further education?

Alex

9,978 posts

313 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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Surely the higher over the limit, the more benefit would be gained from the "Speed Awareness" course.

I think this is one the anomalies picked up by Paul Smith of Safespeed: Minor transgressors get offered education, but major transgressors, who (in theory) would benefit most, do not get the choice.

xxplod

2,269 posts

273 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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I think its good that such courses are being offered. However... I get the distinct impression they are being offered for speeds which previously would have been below the threshold for an FPN. I think there are only a very few drivers who are genuinely being offerd an alternative to the ticket.

This is of course stupid, because those drivers doing 35 in a 30 were less of the problem than those doing 40-something, yet the driver who arguably needs the education isn't going to be offered it.

gh0st

4,693 posts

287 months

Monday 18th July 2005
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xxplod said:
I think its good that such courses are being offered. However... I get the distinct impression they are being offered for speeds which previously would have been below the threshold for an FPN. I think there are only a very few drivers who are genuinely being offerd an alternative to the ticket.

This is of course stupid, because those drivers doing 35 in a 30 were less of the problem than those doing 40-something, yet the driver who arguably needs the education isn't going to be offered it.




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