Nip Issued, couldn't have been me

[barry sheene]

Just got a nip for a 43mph offence on 22nd Aug on my Tigerin SW8 London, which is impossible as on the said date the bike was at the dealers with a suspected broken gearbox and I was away in Exeter working.

Now, on the NIP there's only choices for
1) you were the driver
2) You weren't the driver, please name them or
3) you weren't the registered keeper.

So what next , do I write them a letter, is there someone out there using a cloned plate , are the UK's main triumph dealer using broken customer bikes for their own pelasure ?





>> Edited by barry sheene on Saturday 3rd September 13:07

[Mikey G]

Best ask in SP&L good luck

[Mon Ami Mate]

Probably cloned - this has happened to me, there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate. The irritating thing is that it is up to the registered owner to prove their innocence on each offence. I have reported the cloning to the DVLA, the Police and TfL, but I still keep getting speed camera, bus lane camera and congestion camera images of the same car sent to me, with menacing demands for cash. This has been going on for about 8 months now and they still haven't caught the bastard. I have had to deal with up to 11 penalties a week in this time and have a large pile of copied V5 documents next to my desk. God knows what I'm spending on postage to do their administration for them, let alone my time...

[philthy]

There should be a phone number on the notice of intended persecution. Call them, and explain your circumstances, and get hold of as much evidence to prove you were not the rider/bike in garage as possible. Quite honestly, if you send them proof that the bike was in the air with its gearbox hanging out, I don't see how they could proceed.

Phil

[smeggy]

Mon Ami Mate said:

...I have reported the cloning to the DVLA, the Police and TfL, but I still keep getting speed camera, bus lane camera and congestion camera images of the same car sent to me, with menacing demands for cash. This has been going on for about 8 months now and they still haven't caught the bastard....

Shows how effective ANPR sites really are!

[barry sheene]

cheers guys, am off to the dealer (on my shiny new 06 tiger that I didn't buy from them) to accuse them of riding a broken bike

There's no phone number on the form, but I do have some evidence to prove it wasn't me, bugger if it is cloned though.



>> Edited by barry sheene on Saturday 3rd September 14:32

[sotonS2]

Would be interesting to have a look at any photo evidence they have to determine whether it was your bike or a clone...

[streaky]

sotonS2 said:

Would be interesting to have a look at any photo evidence they have to determine whether it was your bike or a clone...

Given what Mon Ami Mate said: "there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate" - "they" clearly can't tell the difference between a motor car and a motor cycle ... so what hope is there? - Streaky

[Peter Ward]

streaky said:

sotonS2 said: Would be interesting to have a look at any photo evidence they have to determine whether it was your bike or a clone... Given what Mon Ami Mate said: "there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate" - "they" clearly can't tell the difference between a motor car and a motor cycle ... so what hope is there? - Streaky

This does rather give the lie to the idea that each photo is checked before being sent out. Surely even the most transport-illiterate administrator could tell the difference between a bike and a Micra? So the offences are actually being printed off, automatically signed and sent out without any human intervention. Some justice system .

[Dwight VanDriver]

Now now Peter...

Camera clicks and photo's a bike VRM.
Enquiry of DVLA shows VRM a bike and owned by Mr Sheene so they send the paperwork off to him.

Unless they have ESP how the hell do they know the bike owned by BS was off the road in a Garage. They soon will.

Now I would agree with your comments if it turns out that the photo is of a car or ten ton truck....

dvd

[voyds9]

I believe Peter was saying thay the VRM is registered to a bike but the photo shows a car and no-one in the supposedly rigourous process noticed this small detail.
It does create oodles of confidence in the system.

[m1spw]

voyds9 said:

I believe Peter was saying thay the VRM is registered to a bike but the photo shows a car and no-one in the supposedly rigourous process noticed this small detail. It does create oodles of confidence in the system.

But surely if the person checking the photo doesn't know that a "triumph" is a bike, not a car or they aren't a car nut and so don't know what a Nissan Micra looks like....?

I'm not defending them, but it may just be human error...

[MR2Mike]

m1spw said:

But surely if the person checking the photo doesn't know that a "triumph" is a bike, not a car or they aren't a car nut and so don't know what a Nissan Micra looks like....? I'm not defending them, but it may just be human error...

DVLA records include vehicle type/VED classification, not just make and model.

[camper]

Mon Ami Mate said:

Probably cloned - this has happened to me, there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate. The irritating thing is that it is up to the registered owner to prove their innocence on each offence. I have reported the cloning to the DVLA, the Police and TfL, but I still keep getting speed camera, bus lane camera and congestion camera images of the same car sent to me, with menacing demands for cash. This has been going on for about 8 months now and they still haven't caught the bastard. I have had to deal with up to 11 penalties a week in this time and have a large pile of copied V5 documents next to my desk. God knows what I'm spending on postage to do their administration for them, let alone my time...

wrong!, under English Law its up to the authorities to prove it was you it's called "innocent till proven Guilty"!

nuff said!

camper

>> Edited by camper on Monday 5th September 00:09

[camper]

>> Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Monday 5th September 09:28

[lord summerisle]

camper said:

wrong!, under English Law its up to the authorities to prove it was you it's called "innocent till proven Guilty"! nuff said! camper >> Edited by camper on Monday 5th September 00:09

only going on some documentary from a few months ago...

but it seemed that that is only in our minds... to them if you dont follow their red tape lines you have no hope and will be prosicuted. - Guilty untill proven innocent after following their rules of enquiry.

[Dwight VanDriver]

>>>>>>>wrong!, under English Law its up to the authorities to prove it was you it's called "innocent till proven Guilty"! <<<<<

Almost but not strictly true Camper.

Driving Licence - up to your to prove you have one.

dvd

[autismuk]

Peter Ward said:

streaky said: sotonS2 said: Would be interesting to have a look at any photo evidence they have to determine whether it was your bike or a clone... Given what Mon Ami Mate said: "there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate" - "they" clearly can't tell the difference between a motor car and a motor cycle ... so what hope is there? - Streaky This does rather give the lie to the idea that each photo is checked before being sent out. Surely even the most transport-illiterate administrator could tell the difference between a bike and a Micra? So the offences are actually being printed off, automatically signed and sent out without any human intervention. Some justice system .

Course it does. You didn't ever really believe there was any human intervention in the system did you ?

[Mon Ami Mate]

camper said:

Mon Ami Mate said: Probably cloned - this has happened to me, there's a red Nissan Micra flouting cameras in London, wearing my bike's number plate. The irritating thing is that it is up to the registered owner to prove their innocence on each offence. I have reported the cloning to the DVLA, the Police and TfL, but I still keep getting speed camera, bus lane camera and congestion camera images of the same car sent to me, with menacing demands for cash. This has been going on for about 8 months now and they still haven't caught the bastard. I have had to deal with up to 11 penalties a week in this time and have a large pile of copied V5 documents next to my desk. God knows what I'm spending on postage to do their administration for them, let alone my time... wrong!, under English Law its up to the authorities to prove it was you it's called "innocent till proven Guilty"! nuff said! camper >> Edited by camper on Monday 5th September 00:09

I can assure you that you are wrong. I'm having to deal with the bloody things on almost a daily basis...