Bans/points with no licence

[MR2Mike]

What's the deal with people that drive around at the age of 15 etc. and then get points/banned, when obviously they don't have a licence?

I had always thought that the points etc. would be put on when a licence was obtained, but I am assured by such a person that he had a clean licence when he passed his test at 17. If this is so, what on earth is the point in issuing them in the first place?

>> Edited by MR2Mike on Thursday 29th September 00:20

[WildCat]

Heard on radio that polices stopped a BMW with faulty headlamp. They found an 11 year old behind the wheel - whose story was "he had exchanged his quad bike or somethjing for this car!" - may have misheard!

Anyway - 11 year old appeared before magistrates - and......















was banned from driving for 12 months

When dos this ban start? Age 17? After passing L-test?

What ist point of this. Why not fine or place on probation or simply insist on strict educational programme. What on earth has this kid learned?

[miniman]

WildCat said:

When dos this ban start? Age 17? After passing L-test?

Regardless of when the "ban" starts, when are the people who hand out these ridiculous punishments going to realise that if the scrote is driving aged 11, uninsured, no MOT or whatever:

WHY WOULD THEY CARE THAT THEY ARE BANNED????

[Dwight VanDriver]

Offenders collecting points and not the holder of a Driving Licence earn the distinction of having a skeleton record created at DVLA so that when a Licence is applied for and granted then those points of note are put on that Licence.

dvd

[Size Nine Elm]

I thought 'Driving while disqualified' was also an arrestable offence, i.e. it ups the ante if the offender continues to drive, more severe than driving without a license.

[kevinday]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Offenders collecting points and not the holder of a Driving Licence earn the distinction of having a skeleton record created at DVLA so that when a Licence is applied for and granted then those points of note are put on that Licence. dvd

DVD, what happens if the offender is, say, 11 at the time of the offence, would the points have come off the licence again before being issued at age 16/17?

[Dwight VanDriver]

Pass KD

In that scenario I would suspect some inhouse cleaning would have occurred at DVLA Records and skelton buried when no flesh on the bones. Cannot think of a reason why they would to keep the record after it has served its purpose.

dvd

[busa_rush]

So a 17 year old could end up with points for no insurance/license on his license when it's issued to him ?

Guess who's going to be driving with no insurance regardless of passing a test or not ?

[anniesdad]

What is the best way of educating these kids that driving underage etc etc, is not the cleverest thing to do?

Shock tactics?

[^Slider^]

I thought that should they be disqualfied then it would be a disqualification untill test passed. Meaning untill they comply with licensing (ie driving supervised etc) then they are arrestable.

A license will be created for that person and is searchable using name and DOB via PNC.

Driving whilst disqual as i say is arrestable and can lead to prison time if they keep getting court, (i have herd that 1st time is extended ban 2nd or 3rd can be a short spell in clink)

It gives us the power to deal with them more effectively and if they are driving then they are nickable rather than stopping them and not being able to do a great deal about the incident.

Gareth

[nickwilcock]

Fine the little bastards £1000. Make their parents responsible for paying it - or off to jail with them!

Why the hell aren't the parents of these little sods brought to book?

[Dwight VanDriver]

Trouble is ^Slider^ the PofA is only executable by a CONSTABLE in UNIFORM and there aren't that many about these days......

dvd

[wiggy001]

nickwilcock said:

Fine the little bastards £1000. Make their parents responsible for paying it - or off to jail with them! Why the hell aren't the parents of these little sods brought to book?

They'd probably have 50p a month taken from their giro... it'd breach their human rights to punish them any more...

[^Slider^]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Trouble is ^Slider^ the PofA is only executable by a CONSTABLE in UNIFORM and there aren't that many about these days...... dvd

This is true, but it all helps at the end of the day.

Gareth

[deva link]

^Slider^ said:

Dwight VanDriver said: Trouble is ^Slider^ the PofA is only executable by a CONSTABLE in UNIFORM and there aren't that many about these days...... dvd This is true, but it all helps at the end of the day. Gareth

I thought anyone could make an arrest?

[^Slider^]

Unfortuenately some offences are only arrestable by a constable in uniform. This being one of them.

Alot of offences have a power of arrest for civilian or police.

Some are police only.

Some are police in uniform only.

[stuvee02]

This issue has always amazed me and I was almost not surprised to hear the 11 year old received a one year ban. Why oh why oh why!?!? What is the point of him being banned from driving until he's 12 or 13 when he is still not legally entitled to hold a licence?

Having said that if you're going to 'obtain' a BMW and drive at 11 you're unlikely to be bothered about being banned until you're, say, 25 because you'll still go and drive illegally.
Stu