Just followed trafpol at a constant 90-100mph!
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I am not complaining mind you, its much better than them slowing everyone down!
He joined the M1 northbound from the services at about J12 and make very good progress until he got off at J14. He didn't have his blues and two's turned on so it was pretty wierd. I didn't think they were supposed to do that but as as i say, I aint complaining!
He joined the M1 northbound from the services at about J12 and make very good progress until he got off at J14. He didn't have his blues and two's turned on so it was pretty wierd. I didn't think they were supposed to do that but as as i say, I aint complaining!
hedders said:
Nah, thats umpossible :fingersinears:
Out of interest, could they justify doing me for speeding if they were speeding in front of me without lights on, Surely they would get in trouble too?
They could have come on the slip, noticed the rear view filling with a pretty slippy Jag. They've then moved up to record speed on vascar. They can do that from ahead of you.
But don't panic. If they were bothered they would have stopped and had words.
And we don't need video for prosecutions, although most people would be looking for some kind of video/photographic evidence now before admitting guilt. Yet another development we have to thank speed cameras for.
And we have numerous justifications for speed. I'm happy to move faster than the motorway flow to look for offences like h/h mobile phone use (and careless driving attributable to it), drivers not in proper control, tailgating through lack of concentration or aggression, bad lane discipline, tiredness, and other examples of carelessness or aggression. All of these are much much more significant collision causation factors than controlled speeding.
My driving has never yet been officially complained about, but if it was a simple case of exceeding the limit on the motorway, I'd report back that I only use excess speed when appropriate for the job I am doing. Can't see any problem there!
Going back a few yrs, but a mate of mine got done while following a traffic car. No fancy electronics, just the driver and a calibrated speedo. In court (this was before fixed penalties) he asserted that it wasn’t the Police’s job to act as an ‘agent provocateur’, and it was tantamount to entrapment. Still got done, and quite a hefty fine for its day, probably for daring to argue.
IaHa said:
Nah, thats umpossible :fingersinears:
Out of interest, could they justify doing me for speeding if they were speeding in front of me without lights on, Surely they would get in trouble too?
They could have come on the slip, noticed the rear view filling with a pretty slippy Jag. They've then moved up to record speed on vascar. They can do that from ahead of you.
But don't panic. If they were bothered they would have stopped and had words.
And we don't need video for prosecutions, although most people would be looking for some kind of video/photographic evidence now before admitting guilt. Yet another development we have to thank speed cameras for.
Und so Liebchen - as in apple case - they use the police helicopter after the even in bid to "prove the road dangerous"
at greatest cost to tax payers 
IaHa said:
And we have numerous justifications for speed. I'm happy to move faster than the motorway flow to look for offences like h/h mobile phone use (and careless driving attributable to it), drivers not in proper control, tailgating through lack of concentration or aggression, bad lane discipline, tiredness, and other examples of carelessness or aggression. All of these are much much more significant collision causation factors than controlled speeding.
This ist what my lieber
cousin says ... got my own back testing one of our cars on track though 
He started to pray at one point We'd jazzed up a Moggie und gave it identity crisis as it now feels speeds to rival the faster cats 
But ist good that you look for all other "naughties than speeding" -- I hope you got the weavering tailgating twazak in the Focus who could not make up mind as to whehter he wanted L2 or L3 at one point - so he used both
though when you roared past us the other day on M6 
Und we trust you tell 'em about C O A S T in voice to rival lieber IG. IaHa said:
My driving has never yet been officially complained about, but if it was a simple case of exceeding the limit on the motorway, I'd report back that I only use excess speed when appropriate for the job I am doing. Can't see any problem there!
I wonder if that would work for rest of us rushing to get our Christmas dinner ingredients - und so weiter.
(Have everything bar the "perishables" now! und Nein to sprouts! - but I buy und cook for a mini army anyway ) hedders said:
I am not complaining mind you, its much better than them slowing everyone down!
He joined the M1 northbound from the services at about J12 and make very good progress until he got off at J14. He didn't have his blues and two's turned on so it was pretty wierd. I didn't think they were supposed to do that but as as i say, I aint complaining!
Who really cares why they didn't have the lights going?
It's a motorway after all, if the traffic's light we should ALL be legally allowed to do that sort of speed...as a minimum!
Personally i tend to drive at an indicated 85-90 mph in decent conditions, never been stopped, never been flashed by a camera. Must be something to do with an old skill called observation.
The Daimler :ahem: Is off the road... I was in my old renault laguna ,with a broken headlight, so playing a pretty dangerous game now i think about it monkeyhanger said:
Personally i tend to drive at an indicated 85-90 mph in decent conditions, never been stopped, never been flashed by a camera. Must be something to do with an old skill called observation.
Most of the time observation will protect you from a ticket, unless you're in South Wales where they do actually hide behind bushes with the laser gun. I've seen them from the opposite carriageway several times.
jammeson's right, I once had a car coming up behind me with full beam, (I was in the outside lane of a dual carriageway, passing slower cars in the inside lane), about 4 in the afternoon, thought, sod him, stay where I am, as he got closer, I noticed a sign in his window "Police"
So I let him go, and then wrote to the local constablulary about it (Aberdeen), got a phone call inviting me in for a chat.
Turned out to be a car (Unmarked) heading to Dundee for a drugs bust, the copper appologised for the incident, I told him, if they had dipped lights, I would have seen the sign earlier.
He explained then that they dont use the lights and sirens unless absolutely necessary. Said they had tried the Kojak types of magnetic lights, but they kept blowing off, didnt notice that in Kojak.................. But yes, they dont use lights and sirens unless necessary.
Then again how many are just rushing home for their sarnies, or just for the thrill of it...... we shall never know.
So I let him go, and then wrote to the local constablulary about it (Aberdeen), got a phone call inviting me in for a chat.
Turned out to be a car (Unmarked) heading to Dundee for a drugs bust, the copper appologised for the incident, I told him, if they had dipped lights, I would have seen the sign earlier.
He explained then that they dont use the lights and sirens unless absolutely necessary. Said they had tried the Kojak types of magnetic lights, but they kept blowing off, didnt notice that in Kojak.................. But yes, they dont use lights and sirens unless necessary.
Then again how many are just rushing home for their sarnies, or just for the thrill of it...... we shall never know.
IaHa said:
And we don't need video for prosecutions, although most people would be looking for some kind of video/photographic evidence now before admitting guilt. Yet another development we have to thank speed cameras for.
If I could beg to differ here. I don't think it's speed cameras per se. I think it's more to do with public trust of the police. Now that might be partly due to speed cameras but I think it's wider than that -- multiple miscarriages of justice, police chiefs spouting the government's propaganda, focus on thought crimes, etc.
IaHa said:
My driving has never yet been officially complained about, but if it was a simple case of exceeding the limit on the motorway, I'd report back that I only use excess speed when appropriate for the job I am doing. Can't see any problem there!
I assume that you don't really mean "excess speed". It may be the term that the partnerships use for exceeding the speed limit in a bid to make it sound dangerous on its own, but that's not the point. Excess speed is dangerous; high speed isn't necessarily, and if it's a trafpol then almost by definition it won't be.
deeps said:
Personally i tend to drive at an indicated 85-90 mph in decent conditions, never been stopped, never been flashed by a camera. Must be something to do with an old skill called observation.
Most of the time observation will protect you from a ticket, unless you're in South Wales where they do actually hide behind bushes with the laser gun. I've seen them from the opposite carriageway several times.
Easy solution.
Avoid South Wales. Take your money elsewhere
monkeyhanger said:
Personally i tend to drive at an indicated 85-90 mph in decent conditions, never been stopped, never been flashed by a camera. Must be something to do with an old skill called observation.
Most of the time observation will protect you from a ticket, unless you're in South Wales where they do actually hide behind bushes with the laser gun. I've seen them from the opposite carriageway several times.
Easy solution.
Avoid South Wales. Take your money elsewhere
I couldn't agree more!
The trouble is not everyone is a piston-header and knows about the over zealous S.Wales bstads! They rake in ££££s from minnelium stadium events alone.
Afew years ago i was travelling in a convoy of 3 Trafpol cars north on the M1 early one saturday morning on route up north. All were in lane 3 travelling at about 115. We then noticed a Mondeo in lane 1 matching our speed.
This is not something that i would do off duty but each to their own.
He was pulled over and it was a lad aged about 25. When questioned he said that he was told by his dad that if the Police vehicles were travelling at speed without their blue lights etc that they were breaking the law and as such he could do the same.
The result was that he got a 6 month ban at Hemel Court for basically being a nob.
Sadly, there are other people out there that think like this
This is not something that i would do off duty but each to their own.
He was pulled over and it was a lad aged about 25. When questioned he said that he was told by his dad that if the Police vehicles were travelling at speed without their blue lights etc that they were breaking the law and as such he could do the same.
The result was that he got a 6 month ban at Hemel Court for basically being a nob.
Sadly, there are other people out there that think like this
[pc]Whilst i totally agree that he was breaking the speed limit and therefore to the letter of the law should have been reprimanded[/pc] .. was his driving of an otherwise good standard and not endangering other road users? if so why bother pulling him over in the first place?
How many middle lane muppets did you pass in that same time and do nothing about? in fact why weren't you in lane 1 yourselves and moving into appropriate lanes for overtaking?
sounds like he was driving sensibly to me and you fancied an easy pull (unless his driving was otherwise aggressive / dangerous?)? (ignoring the bad advice from his dad, i can't see the problem with his driving if it wasn't interfering with anyone else?)
Did the punishment fit the crime or was it exagerrated because of his cheekiness? Are the trafpol allowed to drive in lane 3 all the time and to hell with lane discipline? sounds like it from your post. If he was matching your speed in lane 1 why were yuo in lane 3?
apologies for the ranty post but some trafpol answers leave me amazed* ...
edited to add:though some answers also are excellent true traffic-orientated common sense for which i applaud you.
How many middle lane muppets did you pass in that same time and do nothing about? in fact why weren't you in lane 1 yourselves and moving into appropriate lanes for overtaking?
sounds like he was driving sensibly to me and you fancied an easy pull (unless his driving was otherwise aggressive / dangerous?)? (ignoring the bad advice from his dad, i can't see the problem with his driving if it wasn't interfering with anyone else?)
Did the punishment fit the crime or was it exagerrated because of his cheekiness? Are the trafpol allowed to drive in lane 3 all the time and to hell with lane discipline? sounds like it from your post. If he was matching your speed in lane 1 why were yuo in lane 3?
apologies for the ranty post but some trafpol answers leave me amazed* ...
edited to add:though some answers also are excellent true traffic-orientated common sense for which i applaud you.
Tonyrec said:
...in a convoy of 3 Trafpol cars ...in lane 3 travelling at about 115.... ...off duty...
Sadly, there are other people out there that think like this
Can I ask when he is seeing this happen, what the **** is he *supposed* to think!?
Can I ask what he was doing that you were not? That is apart from he was observing correct lane discipline?
Seondly, is there a legit part time or voluntary police work I can sign up for which means I can do this when off duty?
I do support the work of the traffic police, however in this situation, I can kind of see his point. I have also has contact with a 'convoy' of unmarked cars in the outside lane. I was proceeding in the outside lane (as I was overtaking the first two lanes) where speeding up behind me became a dark car which sat about 3 car lengths behind me. I know that the stopping distance figures are outdated, but that is clearly dangerous. I looked for the first place to move out of the crazy sods way into a gap into the middle lane. I obviously wasnt quick enough as I was then surprised to see blue flashing light come from behind the grille. However, this still did not mean I could magic a way in between tightly packed cars in the middle lane. So I thought 'sod it' and booted it until I found a gap a few hundred yards ahead. When I slowed down to let them past, the three unmarked cars were in convoy at maybe 90mph with what was no more than one to one and a half car lengths gap between them.
Again, I do support the work of traffic police, but if they were really on a call, I am an observant driver so I would have seen the flashing lights 100 yards before they got near me and would have moved out of the way. If the convoy was really trying to be covert and looking like normal traffic, firstly the public has no warning that they may have been the police performing such manouvres and secondly travelling with such disregard to safe stopping distances.
The guy on the Mondeo may have been a nob, however I do sympathise with his points. If off-duty police in unmarked cars can safely travel at 115mph, in convoy (implying perhaps at less than the exact stopping distance) on a quiet road. Then why shouldnt I?
Unfortunatley the powers that be through covert marketing and manipulation in the media have linked 'Speed kills' and 'Police' in the same cognitive area. To half of the country, they fall for it anyway without thinking, but for the other half who know it isnt really 'speed' that kills, things like this just really boil their blood and give them even less respect for the system. However the effect to the whole driving population is that the powers that be (and the police) do not even follow their own rules, so they think why the **** should they!? Then they see the number of speeding convictions handed down to Essex police in a year... 500 accusations... no convictions then on their way to work they fail to spot the hidden mobile speed trap which clocks them for doing 36 in an area which used to be a 60, and in fact within 20 yards would have been a 60 anyway...
I think in years to come, the real effect of this war on speed will really come to fruition. The trust eroded in the system and the police greatens each year.
>> Edited by justinp1 on Sunday 18th December 12:14
>> Edited by justinp1 on Sunday 18th December 12:17
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