Swiss Gun tradition under attack!
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Always said ist very bitter chocalate in the pretty wrappings in my home country.
Appenzell wimmin only got vote in 1990 - und guess which family's girlies were up to pretty feline necks in that one
But an image of calm to the outside und Vesuvius rages on the inside. Ist hard work to keep up that outside appearance all the time. Ist not the idyll of yodels und cheeses with the holes und they also did not invent the cuckoo clock..
Domestics have been issue for long time und there ist no need for the conscription either. Who wants fondue pans und cuckoo clocks which originated in Black Forest anyway..
My brothers und male cousins all thought it a right pain!
I agree that the guns should be out of the family home too. Too easy to pick up .. und they are all trained und they go on refreshers too.
Appenzell wimmin only got vote in 1990 - und guess which family's girlies were up to pretty feline necks in that one
But an image of calm to the outside und Vesuvius rages on the inside. Ist hard work to keep up that outside appearance all the time. Ist not the idyll of yodels und cheeses with the holes und they also did not invent the cuckoo clock..
Domestics have been issue for long time und there ist no need for the conscription either. Who wants fondue pans und cuckoo clocks which originated in Black Forest anyway..
My brothers und male cousins all thought it a right pain!
I agree that the guns should be out of the family home too. Too easy to pick up .. und they are all trained und they go on refreshers too.
When will law and policy makers understand this - you can't legislate against mad people ? That's why they are mad – they don’t listen !!!!
With tragedies like these it is the motivation that is the important factor - not the tool to do the deed. Once he had decided to murder his wife any tool would do - he chose an effective tool but could have done the same with a knife, or car, or poison, or hammer, etc.
Denying a very law abiding huge majority from firearms because freaks happen to use them too is just about the dumbest piece of negative thinking legislation I can think of.
Slightly of topic this point : but as Michael Moore points out in Bowling for Columbine “ if my government solves it’s problems with guns & violence why shouldn’t I ?” That's not to say we should be entitled to solve our problems with guns. I am aware of the inconsistency those same policy makers and legislators have cause in many countries. Where the individual is considered potentially irresponsible and denied guns but a government is considered responsible and allowed global thermo nuclear weapons !
>> Edited by cyrus1971 on Wednesday 10th May 09:13
With tragedies like these it is the motivation that is the important factor - not the tool to do the deed. Once he had decided to murder his wife any tool would do - he chose an effective tool but could have done the same with a knife, or car, or poison, or hammer, etc.
Denying a very law abiding huge majority from firearms because freaks happen to use them too is just about the dumbest piece of negative thinking legislation I can think of.
Slightly of topic this point : but as Michael Moore points out in Bowling for Columbine “ if my government solves it’s problems with guns & violence why shouldn’t I ?” That's not to say we should be entitled to solve our problems with guns. I am aware of the inconsistency those same policy makers and legislators have cause in many countries. Where the individual is considered potentially irresponsible and denied guns but a government is considered responsible and allowed global thermo nuclear weapons !
>> Edited by cyrus1971 on Wednesday 10th May 09:13
cyrus1971 said:
When will law and policy makers understand this - you can't legislate against mad people ? That's why they are mad – they don’t listen !!!!
With tragedies like these it is the motivation that is the important factor - not the tool to do the deed. Once he had decided to murder his wife any tool would do - he chose an effective tool but could have done the same with a knife, or car, or poison, or hammer, etc.
Motivation might be important but the tool is massively important. The level of emotional distance in using a gun versus a knife or club is huge. Not to mention the chance of escape/survivability against a knife or gun.
The swiss problem here is much more complex than means though - as thre article tells us - the Swiss mentality is vastly different to ours (and probably much of Europe).
Knee-jerk legislation is never a great thing BUT, if the report is correct, the majority of the Swiss no longer want guns available in the home with such ease. The law exists to uphold the will of the majority an to protect society (from itself sometimes).
When, I lived in Switzerland this fact of guns in everyhome was pressed home to me quite firmly just in case I decided to try and extract anything from a home without permission, the basic rule was you would be shot first and questions asked later (by the way I was in no way inclined to theivery or scumbaggery it was a friendly warning from a local whom I worked with).
It was at the time (about 10 years ago) one of the main reasons why murder was considered to be so uncommon because virtually everybody had access to a gun in their home, virtually all men knew how to use them and had to attend regular range sessions to keep up their training and skills.
Lets face it how many local thugs in this country would think twice about robbing a place if they thought the chances of them being shot dead were high? AT the time Switzerland was an extremely law abiding country (and still is) and a beautiful one at that, I'd love to live there again, but imigration rules are extremely tight and I guess I'd never in.
It was at the time (about 10 years ago) one of the main reasons why murder was considered to be so uncommon because virtually everybody had access to a gun in their home, virtually all men knew how to use them and had to attend regular range sessions to keep up their training and skills.
Lets face it how many local thugs in this country would think twice about robbing a place if they thought the chances of them being shot dead were high? AT the time Switzerland was an extremely law abiding country (and still is) and a beautiful one at that, I'd love to live there again, but imigration rules are extremely tight and I guess I'd never in.
iaint said:
When will law and policy makers understand this - you can't legislate against mad people ? That's why they are mad – they don’t listen !!!!
With tragedies like these it is the motivation that is the important factor - not the tool to do the deed. Once he had decided to murder his wife any tool would do - he chose an effective tool but could have done the same with a knife, or car, or poison, or hammer, etc.
The law exists to uphold the will of the majority an to protect society (from itself sometimes).
Well I am Swiss and I don’t have a problem with it. What with Switzerland being one of if not the safest country in the world and simultaneously the most highly armed, I am cautious of the media telling me this is what people want. It is a matter I think the Swiss would have a referendum on anyway and I would follow the majority rule principle – Switzerland also being one of the planets oldest democracies….
>> Edited by cyrus1971 on Thursday 11th May 09:56
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