RE: Diffuser User Caught
Tuesday 11th February 2003
Users of laser jammers have always been operating on the wrong side of the law but the gadgets have not been the subject of any legal action - until now.
A driver Wales had been clocked speeding a number of times but on each occasion the precise speed was unobtainable. Police caught up with the driver and found a laser diffuser fitted to his car.
There's no law specifically outlawing the diffuser. The motorist concerned has being charged with perverting the course of justice and has admitted the offence.
A spokesman for the local Safety Camera Partnership commented "The use of such devices is extremely dangerous as it gives the motorist licence to drive at inappropriate speeds, putting the safety of other road users at risk".
Diffuser User Caught
"Putting the safety of other road users at risk"
Users of laser jammers have always been operating on the wrong side of the law but the gadgets have not been the subject of any legal action - until now.
A driver Wales had been clocked speeding a number of times but on each occasion the precise speed was unobtainable. Police caught up with the driver and found a laser diffuser fitted to his car.
There's no law specifically outlawing the diffuser. The motorist concerned has being charged with perverting the course of justice and has admitted the offence.
A spokesman for the local Safety Camera Partnership commented "The use of such devices is extremely dangerous as it gives the motorist licence to drive at inappropriate speeds, putting the safety of other road users at risk".
Discussion
What is the possible punishment for this driver?
Does anyone know?
I believe it is a serious charge to be facing. I have been looking into these products but might stick with a GPS sytem (Geodesy etc.) if they decide to make an example of this guy.
Surprised this is the first time as these products must be widespread by now!
Does anyone know?
I believe it is a serious charge to be facing. I have been looking into these products but might stick with a GPS sytem (Geodesy etc.) if they decide to make an example of this guy.
Surprised this is the first time as these products must be widespread by now!
Quote: A spokesman for the local Safety Camera Partnership commented "The use of such devices is extremely dangerous as it gives the motorist licence to drive at inappropriate speeds, putting the safety of other road users at risk".
And as we all know, it's not speed but inappropriate speed that is the real problem. I suspect however that the official definition of 'inappropriate speed' is anything above the speed limit, regardless of circumstances.
And as we all know, it's not speed but inappropriate speed that is the real problem. I suspect however that the official definition of 'inappropriate speed' is anything above the speed limit, regardless of circumstances.
This guy must be a bit of an idiot if it's happened "a number of times", presumably the incidents were in or around the same place for plod to be on the look out for him.
My LE850 jammer gives a loud audible warning inviting you to slow down well before you get close enough to the camera operator for them to be able properly judge your speed. Also the warning controller box can be (and is) mounted on velco so that it can easily be removed and hidden in a door pocket/under the seat etc.
Trust some plonker who thinks it's a magic clocking device to ruin it for the rest of us.
My LE850 jammer gives a loud audible warning inviting you to slow down well before you get close enough to the camera operator for them to be able properly judge your speed. Also the warning controller box can be (and is) mounted on velco so that it can easily be removed and hidden in a door pocket/under the seat etc.
Trust some plonker who thinks it's a magic clocking device to ruin it for the rest of us.
Interesting!I have seen comments about this on other boards. The concensus appears to be that this guy is an idiot, as it appears he went past police traps several times and failed to turn the device off so they could get a lock on him once he slowed down.
I assume the defense for a laser jammer is that it warns you of speed traps which should of course be in accident police traps, and therefore reminds you to slow down.
Chris
I assume the defense for a laser jammer is that it warns you of speed traps which should of course be in accident police traps, and therefore reminds you to slow down.
Chris
Why is it that everytime a unprecidented incident occurs it always seems to happen in Wales?
Only last year we had the "Drivers caught using vegetable oil", and guess where this happened, yep Wales!
I know people do the veggie thing as I am a member of bio diesel/SVO forums and it seems that this was all made up and did not happen.
Only last year we had the "Drivers caught using vegetable oil", and guess where this happened, yep Wales!
I know people do the veggie thing as I am a member of bio diesel/SVO forums and it seems that this was all made up and did not happen.
gtir said: Why is it that everytime a unprecidented incident occurs it always seems to happen in Wales?
Only last year we had the "Drivers caught using vegetable oil", and guess where this happened, yep Wales!
I know people do the veggie thing as I am a member of bio diesel/SVO forums and it seems that this was all made up and did not happen.
Its because we have the Assembly. Another kremlin based on a rugby club commitee that sends everyone nuts, including the police.
Since when did Gwent grunters ever care about stretching , bending or breaking any laws to get an easy nick?
These sheep shaggers need to be taught a lesson, that they cant just DO WHAT THEY WANT, ignoring rules and guidelines, making it up as they go along.
That seems to be the perception at least.
One day theyll piss someone off to such a degree that blood will be spilt because of their attitudes, wait and see, its on its way, and itll be all their own fault, mark my words.
These sheep shaggers need to be taught a lesson, that they cant just DO WHAT THEY WANT, ignoring rules and guidelines, making it up as they go along.
That seems to be the perception at least.
One day theyll piss someone off to such a degree that blood will be spilt because of their attitudes, wait and see, its on its way, and itll be all their own fault, mark my words.
Talking of laser jammers I heard a great story the other day which I thought you guys might enjoy.
Apologies if you've heard it before, its probably not true but one of those urban myths.
This apparently happened in Scotland.
Two Coppers setting up a speed trap using a laser gun. After some time cop no1 latches onto something doing 500mph!!, obviously realising this can't be true he attempts to reset the gun but the gun is jammed by an unknown source and fails to work. At this point several low flying Tornados are seen of the coast performing low pass high speed manouveres.
The Cop reports the incident to his superiors who in turn send a snotty note to the local base commander.
He responds with the following. One pilot on an exercise during the day did report being locked onto by an unknown laser device (the cops laser gun). The Tornados on board computer acknowledges the lock and respondes by jamming the signal and then arming an air to ground laser homing missile. Only the quick thinking of the pilot to disarm the on board automated systems resulted in the cops keeping their lives!!
Unknown how true this tale is, there are lots of holes in the story but just think of the possibilities of arming you're own car with laser and radar homing missiles James Bond style!!
Looking at it from a slightly more grown up position, although funny, the officers in question were damn lucky.....
Apologies if you've heard it before, its probably not true but one of those urban myths.
This apparently happened in Scotland.
Two Coppers setting up a speed trap using a laser gun. After some time cop no1 latches onto something doing 500mph!!, obviously realising this can't be true he attempts to reset the gun but the gun is jammed by an unknown source and fails to work. At this point several low flying Tornados are seen of the coast performing low pass high speed manouveres.
The Cop reports the incident to his superiors who in turn send a snotty note to the local base commander.
He responds with the following. One pilot on an exercise during the day did report being locked onto by an unknown laser device (the cops laser gun). The Tornados on board computer acknowledges the lock and respondes by jamming the signal and then arming an air to ground laser homing missile. Only the quick thinking of the pilot to disarm the on board automated systems resulted in the cops keeping their lives!!
Unknown how true this tale is, there are lots of holes in the story but just think of the possibilities of arming you're own car with laser and radar homing missiles James Bond style!!
Looking at it from a slightly more grown up position, although funny, the officers in question were damn lucky.....
It is interesting to note that the use of radar jammers have already been tested in Court, albeit under the Wireless and Telegraphy Act. Suprisingly the prosecution failed to secure a conviction, This extract is from the Speed Trap Bible and was written before our diffuser-toting friend got caught by the Welsh Police:
From www.speed-trap.co.uk/FAQ/FAQ.htm
"The only reference to an action brought by the police against a driver using a jamming device (although not a laser jamming device) was brought in 1999 under s5 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1947. This case established that provided radio/micro wave emissions did not attempt to transmit to a receiver whether specific or otherwise no offence had been committed. Therefore simply surrounding an object (e.g. a car) with transmitted radio/micro waves is not an illegal act notwithstanding the fact that the effect would be to disrupt the lawful use of another transmitting device (e.g. a radar gun). It seems to me that the same principle should apply to lasers but as far as I can tell this has never been tested in court."
If our hero has pleaded guilty to the charge of Perversion of the Course of Justice then I'm not sure if that sets any legal precedence with respect to diffuser usage. The Prosecution have not argued their case before a Judge and still no law exists that outlaws their use.
From www.speed-trap.co.uk/FAQ/FAQ.htm
"The only reference to an action brought by the police against a driver using a jamming device (although not a laser jamming device) was brought in 1999 under s5 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1947. This case established that provided radio/micro wave emissions did not attempt to transmit to a receiver whether specific or otherwise no offence had been committed. Therefore simply surrounding an object (e.g. a car) with transmitted radio/micro waves is not an illegal act notwithstanding the fact that the effect would be to disrupt the lawful use of another transmitting device (e.g. a radar gun). It seems to me that the same principle should apply to lasers but as far as I can tell this has never been tested in court."
If our hero has pleaded guilty to the charge of Perversion of the Course of Justice then I'm not sure if that sets any legal precedence with respect to diffuser usage. The Prosecution have not argued their case before a Judge and still no law exists that outlaws their use.
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