Road pricing, tracking and more
Discussion
Forgive me if this has already been posted but I thought it was important. Just got the email below from my brother, if its true, its a bit alarming:
Democracy in action?
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a
tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will
cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a
rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take
the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will
be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast
you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can
probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.
If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
Democracy in action?
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a
tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will
cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a
rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take
the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will
be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast
you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can
probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.
If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please
sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people
as possible.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
Have just had a look at the petition again. When you click on the various petition headings (Transport, Environment etc) it seems to show the petitions with the highest number of signatories at the top of each list....Nearly 100,000 signatures on the one we're talkign about. Which isn't much compared to the population. However, it's way more than any of the other petitions that I could see on the site.
Maybe there is hope - come everyone....circulate this to your friends and colleagues and get them to sign up.
J.
Maybe there is hope - come everyone....circulate this to your friends and colleagues and get them to sign up.
J.
jamesuk28 said:
You really think Teflon pays the blindest bit of attention to these?
I really can't see this happening tbh, I for one won't be paying up whether it's law or not and I'd guess I won't be the only one. Our Tone is already raking it in on road users and this is taking just a bit too much p155, justification is no doubt climate change? The bloke's a 
but then again so is Cameroon.
but then again so is Cameroon.JoolzB said:
I really can't see this happening tbh, I for one won't be paying up whether it's law or not and I'd guess I won't be the only one.
Not only that but the tracking of our movements will be a serious breach of our Human Rights.. Which will be used by someone in the know as their defence to any criminal charges brought. The Govt can only do "no more than is necessary" to enforce say tax collection. Highly doubt a lower system couldn't be found, such as, I don't know, tax at point of sale...
IMHO it's just a gov't dream which, as soon as the full implications are realised will just be dropped and additional tax added to fuel instead.
The additional costs to UK industry would cripple the economy and tens of thousands of ordinary workers would be unable to travel to and from work at, say, £1 per mile on M'ways at peak times (i.e. the times they want to use them). They would then need huge pay rises or would have to leave and go on the dole. Imagine a worker travelling 25 miles each way on the M1 every morning and evening. At the suggested £1 per mile that's £50 per day, £250 per week out of his/her taxed income or £18000 of salary just to get to and from work. Now, that kinda puts it in perspective somewhat.
Larger companies would simply move abroad and run foreign registered vehicles over here for the purposes of their business (all quite legal under EU law), without mandated trackers, and the levels of unemployment would rocket. No gov't can afford for that to happen and as soon as that is realised there will be the usual 'U-Turn' and alternative solutions sought.
The additional costs to UK industry would cripple the economy and tens of thousands of ordinary workers would be unable to travel to and from work at, say, £1 per mile on M'ways at peak times (i.e. the times they want to use them). They would then need huge pay rises or would have to leave and go on the dole. Imagine a worker travelling 25 miles each way on the M1 every morning and evening. At the suggested £1 per mile that's £50 per day, £250 per week out of his/her taxed income or £18000 of salary just to get to and from work. Now, that kinda puts it in perspective somewhat.
Larger companies would simply move abroad and run foreign registered vehicles over here for the purposes of their business (all quite legal under EU law), without mandated trackers, and the levels of unemployment would rocket. No gov't can afford for that to happen and as soon as that is realised there will be the usual 'U-Turn' and alternative solutions sought.
spokey said:
jasandjules said:
Not only that but the tracking of our movements will be a serious breach of our Human Rights.
It's not stopping the ANPR database.
How long is that data held for? Or is it transient once the reg has been checked? Has anyone attempted to defend themselves in court citing this defence?
flemke said:
It seems that the Government has already drafted rules stating that to interfere with the operation of one's prospective in-car black-box signals will be punishable by up to six months in jail.
And so it begins, I truly believe we are seeing the beginning of the end with these measures. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts
Edited by apache on Friday 5th January 15:51
apache said:
flemke said:
It seems that the Government has already drafted rules stating that to interfere with the operation of one's prospective in-car black-box signals will be punishable by up to six months in jail.
And so it begins, I truly believe we are seeing the beginning of the end with these measures. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts
Edited by apache on Friday 5th January 15:51
Bloody hell. I keep getting images of V for Vendetta in my head. Nobody will be putting a black box in my car. And if they do it will be coming out.
jasandjules said:
spokey said:
jasandjules said:
Not only that but the tracking of our movements will be a serious breach of our Human Rights.
It's not stopping the ANPR database.
How long is that data held for? Or is it transient once the reg has been checked? Has anyone attempted to defend themselves in court citing this defence?
The data will be held for five years. Part of the plan is apparently to evaluate cars travelling in close proximity to suspect vehicles, so you could suddenly find yourself under suspicion because you drove up to Scotland three years ago near someone who turned out to be an Al Qaida operative.
That is quite interesting.
But, unless I am mistaken, ANPR only works at X point where the camera is installed, and they are not at every junction, which means your movements are trackable to a limited degree (per % of road miles) BUT this planned system will allow for complete tracking of your vehicles. Which may lead to some serious abuse and a breach of your privacy (not enshrined in UK law, but arguable against Art 8 and the need to tax a vehicle I imagine).
But, unless I am mistaken, ANPR only works at X point where the camera is installed, and they are not at every junction, which means your movements are trackable to a limited degree (per % of road miles) BUT this planned system will allow for complete tracking of your vehicles. Which may lead to some serious abuse and a breach of your privacy (not enshrined in UK law, but arguable against Art 8 and the need to tax a vehicle I imagine).
flemke said:
It seems that the Government has already drafted rules stating that to interfere with the operation of one's prospective in-car black-box signals will be punishable by up to six months in jail.
Jail!?!?!?
So this is more important than shoplifting, theft, vandalism, minor assault, most first offences for anything, and even(!) most speeding.
So just how are we managing to survive at present, when removing something we don't yet have is going to be so serious?
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