Cameras to capture drivers' faces, in London

[rodney59]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lo

and still its said "Speed is a contributory factor in a third of fatalities ...."

[Einion Yrth]

I would suggest that speed is a contributary factor in getting on for 100% of RTA fatalities - speeding however is likely contributary to a great deal fewer.

[turbobloke]

Agreed, this directly contradicts the DfT's own data. Before it was a third of all accidents (untrue) now it's a third of fatacs (untrue). Maybe they'll get it rght in a year or two, maybe not.

[martind]

turbobloke said:

Before it was a third of all accidents (untrue) now it's a third of fatacs (untrue).
.

What is the the above the speed limit % of fatal accidents ? I keep seeing now the figure of 28% of Fatal's where excessive speed was to blame which as we know is not the same as over the speed limit.

[cliffe_mafia]

Are they also going to introduce £60 FPNs for drivers using sun visors?

I thought there were legal reasons why the cameras didn't take pictures of your face?

Edited by cliffe_mafia on Friday 12th January 15:01

[lambochick]

turbobloke said:

Agreed, this directly contradicts the DfT's own data. Before it was a third of all accidents (untrue) now it's a third of fatacs (untrue). Maybe they'll get it rght in a year or two, maybe not.

In which case they ought to be concentrating on the causes of the other 2/3 of accidents. Seems to me they've got their priorities wrong!

[oogieboogie]

So you're trundling along at 44 in a 40 quite aware of everything going on, and get blinded by a flash in the face, at which point little Kevin runs out into the road... is the bigger contribution to the resulting accident the extra 4mph or the flash?

[fluffnik]

PistonHeads branded driver's/goal-minder's masks anyone?

[Mon Ami Mate]

www.dressingupboxonline.co.uk/productmore.asp?cat=14&prod=1310

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Friday 12th January 16:07

[turbobloke]

Mon Ami Mate said:

www.dressingupboxonline.co.uk/productmore.asp?cat=14&prod=1310

It's good - frizz, tache, chest wig - but no medallion

[huckster6]

Mon Ami Mate said:

www.dressingupboxonline.co.uk/productmore.asp?cat=14&prod=1310

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Friday 12th January 16:07

Do you remember tv sketch show "The Mary Whitehouse Experience" and their regulars "The History Men"?
I looked at the link and I thought:
That's your dad, that is.

[motorwise]

I always wear a mask anyway - because I'm hideously deformed

[PJ S]

Been thinking of using this one I have lying about.......



If anyone else wants one, just ask - big shipment arrived in recently.

[safespeed]

martind said:

turbobloke said:

Before it was a third of all accidents (untrue) now it's a third of fatacs (untrue).
.

What is the the above the speed limit % of fatal accidents ? I keep seeing now the figure of 28% of Fatal's where excessive speed was to blame which as we know is not the same as over the speed limit.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SafeSpe Issued 28th September 2006

SS PR said:

PR369: Don't add chalk and cheese.

news: for immediate release

In the new contributory factors figures published today, DfT chooses to add
'speeding' to 'inappropriate speed' to create an aggregate 'excessive speed'
figure.

There is absolutely no practical road safety basis for this addition. The
underlying behaviours are completely different - it is like adding chalk and
cheese.

Most news organisations are quoting that 15% of crashes and 26% of fatal
crashes have excessive speed as a contributory factor. They are being cheated
by DfT spin.

Reality differs. It is not reasonable to add 'legal compliance failure' (i.e.
speeding) to inappropriate speed which is a driver quality / driver judgement
issue.

'Speeding' is about legal compliance. It can be enforced by speed camera.

Inappropriate speed is about driver judgement. Speed cameras CANNOT affect it.
It takes place entirely WITHIN the speed limit. It is affected by driver skill
(or lack of it).

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
(www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "There was a very good reason when the forms were
designed to separate speeding (in excess of a speed limit) from inappropriate
speed for the conditions. Adding these figures after the researchers were so
careful to separate them only serves those who wish to mislead and defend
failing policy."

"I am disgusted that DfT lumps these figures together in a further distortion
of road safety truth."

"The truth is that 5% of crashes (and 12% of fatal crashes) involved speeding
vehicles."

<ends>

Notes for editors
=================

DON'T LET ANYONE BAMBOOZLE YOU!

see Table 6 of the new report:
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transstats/documents/downloadable/dft_transstats_612594.pdf

Study it carefully!

[martind]

safespeed said:

"I am disgusted that DfT lumps these figures together in a further distortion
of road safety truth."

"The truth is that 5% of crashes (and 12% of fatal crashes) involved speeding
vehicles."

<ends>

Notes for editors
=================

DON'T LET ANYONE BAMBOOZLE YOU!

see Table 6 of the new report:
www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_transstats/documents/downloadable/dft_transstats_612594.pdf

Study it carefully!

Thanks for that Paul
So its just over 1 in 10 fatal's are caused by speeding, leaving 9 out of 10 to other causes. Now I wonder how much of the government road safety budget is spent on speeding , 90% to stop 12% .
I find this highlighted comment interesting , it means that even less of a percentage of accidents are CAUSED by exceeding the speed limit.

DFT said:

Exceeding the speed limit should be reported when the driver caused, or contributed to the accident by exceeding the posted speed limit. It should also be reported when the actions of another road user were the immediate cause of the accident but a speeding vehicle also contributed to the collision.

[safespeed]

martind said:

Thanks for that Paul
So its just over 1 in 10 fatal's are caused by speeding, leaving 9 out of 10 to other causes. Now I wonder how much of the government road safety budget is spent on speeding , 90% to stop 12% .
I find this highlighted comment interesting , it means that even less of a percentage of accidents are CAUSED by exceeding the speed limit.

DFT said:

Exceeding the speed limit should be reported when the driver caused, or contributed to the accident by exceeding the posted speed limit. It should also be reported when the actions of another road user were the immediate cause of the accident but a speeding vehicle also contributed to the collision.

Oh this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Many of those 'exceeding the speed limit' crashes are caused by something completely different. Often the speeding and the crash have a cause in common. Some are stolen cars. Some are roaring drunks. Some are racing on the highway. Some are escaping criminals. Some are idiot boy racers showing off. Some are nutty bikers getting their thrills.

The percentage of 'otherwise responsible' motorists who have a crash while speeding is tiny.

[negative creep]

wonder if those cameras will work on left hookers?

[hedders]

PJ S said:

Been thinking of using this one I have lying about.......



If anyone else wants one, just ask - big shipment arrived in recently.

I helped deliver them! (in the actual movie)

[supersingle]

Jenny Jones:



Green Party member, former archeaologist, responsible for road safety and CIVIL LIBERTIES on the London Assembly.

The same lunatic who complained about motorway widening saying we should all just 'Get on our bikes' what, on the M6!

She belongs in a funny farm, not in power.

[PJ S]

hedders said:

PJ S said:

Been thinking of using this one I have lying about.......



If anyone else wants one, just ask - big shipment arrived in recently.

I helped deliver them! (in the actual movie)

Interesting. Pity you didn't snaffle one or manage to get one after shooting was done.
Do you know how many they got/ordered? Must've been a right lot.......and then some!

Edited by PJ S on Monday 15th January 00:02