157mph biker sets speed trap 'record'
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A motorcyclist caught riding at what is thought to be the fastest speed recorded by police on a British road has pleaded guilty to driving dangerously.
Andrew Osborne, 29, of Marston Avenue, Lighthorne Heath, Leamington Spa, was clocked by a speed camera doing 157mph on a dual carriageway in Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury magistrates were told.
Osborne appeared alongside fellow biker Neil Bolger, 29, of St Marks Close, Gaydon, Warwickshire, who was recorded doing 148mph on the same stretch of road.
Prosecuting, Teresa Walker said both men were recorded speeding at 12.12pm on March 25 this year on the A412 Tingewick by-pass near Buckingham by Frank Yabsley, a camera technician for Thames Valley Police.
Osborne, who was riding a Kawasaki 1200cc motorcycle, was clocked doing 157mph overtaking a large goods vehicle on a left hand bend. Bolger, who was riding a Kawasaki 750cc motorcycle, was clocked doing 148mph on the same bend while overtaking the large goods vehicle.
Both men attended police stations where they admitted exceeding the speed limit and driving dangerously, said Ms Walker.
In court both pleaded guilty to driving dangerously on the A421 Tingewick bypass.
Defending Osborne, Darren Rogers said his client's speed had been "grossly excessive", but there was no evidence he had consumed any drugs or alcohol. He said Osborne had a clean driver's licence, no previous convictions and had been fully insured.
Defending Bolger, Nicholas Devine said his client also had a full clean driver's licence and had been fully insured. He said there was no evidence Bolger had consumed any alcohol or drugs, or that the two men had been racing.
Tony Glover, chairman of the bench, adjourned the case until July 15 for so pre-sentence reports.
Andrew Osborne, 29, of Marston Avenue, Lighthorne Heath, Leamington Spa, was clocked by a speed camera doing 157mph on a dual carriageway in Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury magistrates were told.
Osborne appeared alongside fellow biker Neil Bolger, 29, of St Marks Close, Gaydon, Warwickshire, who was recorded doing 148mph on the same stretch of road.
Prosecuting, Teresa Walker said both men were recorded speeding at 12.12pm on March 25 this year on the A412 Tingewick by-pass near Buckingham by Frank Yabsley, a camera technician for Thames Valley Police.
Osborne, who was riding a Kawasaki 1200cc motorcycle, was clocked doing 157mph overtaking a large goods vehicle on a left hand bend. Bolger, who was riding a Kawasaki 750cc motorcycle, was clocked doing 148mph on the same bend while overtaking the large goods vehicle.
Both men attended police stations where they admitted exceeding the speed limit and driving dangerously, said Ms Walker.
In court both pleaded guilty to driving dangerously on the A421 Tingewick bypass.
Defending Osborne, Darren Rogers said his client's speed had been "grossly excessive", but there was no evidence he had consumed any drugs or alcohol. He said Osborne had a clean driver's licence, no previous convictions and had been fully insured.
Defending Bolger, Nicholas Devine said his client also had a full clean driver's licence and had been fully insured. He said there was no evidence Bolger had consumed any alcohol or drugs, or that the two men had been racing.
Tony Glover, chairman of the bench, adjourned the case until July 15 for so pre-sentence reports.
The camera guy's a tw*t.
Those two will now be out of work, and if they go to prison, unemployable.
Buy reporting them he's cost the state the price of 2 trials and benifit for the period of the ban plus the time it takes to find a job when they are mobile again. For what? Speeding on a dual carriageway.
What a waste of public money.
Those two will now be out of work, and if they go to prison, unemployable.
Buy reporting them he's cost the state the price of 2 trials and benifit for the period of the ban plus the time it takes to find a job when they are mobile again. For what? Speeding on a dual carriageway.
What a waste of public money.
Sorry Toad the laws the twat/an arse, the camera guy is just earning a currently legitimate income to no doubt feed his family. The rest of your point is very valid though.
DAZ
PS - I hope they've got driving games, go karts, a subsidised bar, satellite TV with motorsport 24 hours a day and Pistonheads access at these new motorists jails.
DAZ
PS - I hope they've got driving games, go karts, a subsidised bar, satellite TV with motorsport 24 hours a day and Pistonheads access at these new motorists jails.
dazren said:
swilly said: I dont think 157mph comes into the "I was only doing 31mph" bracket, and they freely admitted to it, so at least they are taking responsibility.
Er no. Their lawyers will have advised them either take it on the chin or get screwed twice as much.
DAZ
Mmmmmmmm Regardless, unless they didn't actually do 157mph (or more) then it is the correct course of action to admit it. If they didn't do it then i doubt they would claim they did.
Like i said this isn't exactly in the "only 31mph" league, but you can guarantee will be milked for all its worth by the anti-car-bike-fun lobby to further prove all cars/bikes should be limited to 25bhp or something similar
Certainly doesn't do any good.
Buy reporting them he's cost the state the price of 2 trials and benifit for the period of the ban plus the time it takes to find a job when they are mobile again. For what? Speeding on a dual carriageway.
What a waste of public money.
Sorry totaly disagree there. Who's fault was it that they were speeding? Theirs I believe! 157mph in a 70mph limit is beyond taking the piss. Why did they plead guilty? Something to do with damage limitation. If they had pleaded not guilty and then were found guilty in court the concequences would have been even worse for them. If you can't do the time don't do the crime!
Oh yeah, forgot to add. They will probably cost you and I the taxpayers more money purely as a result of their actions.
>> Edited by wolf1 on Tuesday 17th June 15:45
Even though it was a Dual Carriageway, passing a truck at 150mph on a bend is not a good thing to do, even in a car when you've not got your head down against the buffeting and have decent braking from that kind of speed. Pretty dangerous IMO.
I think they did the right thing pleading guilty etc. Take it on the chin like a man (so to speak).
OK, so I'm no fan of police speed traps ... and why was one on a Dual Carriageway?, but this seems like a fair cop to me.
I think they did the right thing pleading guilty etc. Take it on the chin like a man (so to speak).
OK, so I'm no fan of police speed traps ... and why was one on a Dual Carriageway?, but this seems like a fair cop to me.
Oh yeah, forgot to add. They will probably cost you and I the taxpayers more money purely as a result of their actions.
They didn't choose to be made unemployed. If they were shoplifters or first offence violent criminals they would have got a caution and be going to work.
Speeding is the only crime that carries loss of job as it's punishment.
My plate is now covered. Although I don't habitually speed (because I choose roads where speeding is not required for a bit of excitement) it's the only safe course of action. 8 minutes of clear DC NSL and you're banned. Insane.
They didn't choose to be made unemployed.
Yes they did! Every motorist knows that exceeding the speed limit by over 30mph can carry a custodial sentence. If they thought 157 was ok on a dual carrageway then god knows what they think is acceptable in a 30 or 40 limit. I don't care what anyone else thinks but speeding on this level is one of the reasons that speed enforcement has reached the proportion that it has today.
wolf1 said:
They didn't choose to be made unemployed.
god knows what they think is acceptable in a 30 or 40 limit.
I have a bike. Almost all bikers relegiously stick to 30 and 40 limits.
The guy that got a year inside in Wales last year was sticking exactly to 30's and 40's.
It's car drivers that speed in the 30's and 40's, not bikers.
I do agree that car driver’s speed in restricted limits, but the same goes for some riders as well. It's not all but some do. I have no problem with making reasonable progress on an interesting stretch of road. However I just cannot condone the actions of the two riders facing prosecution.
We all agree that beurocracy has tied our police forces in knots as to priorities but the bottom line is that politicians make policy and the police follow that. What we must do is differentiate between the Traffic divisions and the other parts of the force. The Traffic divisions are solely responsible for traffic related matters (there are probably more which I am unaware of), which leaves the rest of the divisions to carry out other policing work. No matter what happens there will always be some form of speed detection in place. It is our choice as to whether we take the chance or not.
We all agree that beurocracy has tied our police forces in knots as to priorities but the bottom line is that politicians make policy and the police follow that. What we must do is differentiate between the Traffic divisions and the other parts of the force. The Traffic divisions are solely responsible for traffic related matters (there are probably more which I am unaware of), which leaves the rest of the divisions to carry out other policing work. No matter what happens there will always be some form of speed detection in place. It is our choice as to whether we take the chance or not.
Don't know about that - I rumble through villages at 30mph and am regularly overtaken by bikes.
But 150+ on a major road at lunchtime is a little foolish to be honest. I suspect the two of them were having a friendly run and the red mist came down. Not ideal conditions to be doing that sort of speed in.
Still, facts - and I don't know any.
But 150+ on a major road at lunchtime is a little foolish to be honest. I suspect the two of them were having a friendly run and the red mist came down. Not ideal conditions to be doing that sort of speed in.
Still, facts - and I don't know any.
Statistically speaking, bike riders do on average speed less in town than car drivers - fact.
If you rode a bike you would realise that self preservation in town is essential, and if you speed around like a loony then you'll get knocked off for sure.
I ride a bike and never speed in town, unless I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and it happens to be moving collectively above the limit.
We've all had our moments of madness on the open road mind you - and if you have never ridden a powerful sports bike, you will be astonished at just how quickly the speeds these guys were caught doing can be achieved. You pull onto a motorway and cane it into the fast lane, and within a few seconds you will be doing double the limit (and some).
I remember the first time this happened to me - I joined the motorway following a friend, and opened the bike right up. I then looked at my speedo to see something similar to the speeds these guys were caught doing and I could not believe it. I was so surprised that I rolled off the throttle, sat up on the bike (a natural reaction) and was nearly blown off the back minus my two arms still gripping the handlebars.
If you rode a bike you would realise that self preservation in town is essential, and if you speed around like a loony then you'll get knocked off for sure.
I ride a bike and never speed in town, unless I am keeping up with the flow of traffic and it happens to be moving collectively above the limit.
We've all had our moments of madness on the open road mind you - and if you have never ridden a powerful sports bike, you will be astonished at just how quickly the speeds these guys were caught doing can be achieved. You pull onto a motorway and cane it into the fast lane, and within a few seconds you will be doing double the limit (and some).
I remember the first time this happened to me - I joined the motorway following a friend, and opened the bike right up. I then looked at my speedo to see something similar to the speeds these guys were caught doing and I could not believe it. I was so surprised that I rolled off the throttle, sat up on the bike (a natural reaction) and was nearly blown off the back minus my two arms still gripping the handlebars.
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