Bye bye Prat Plates ?
Discussion
I don't think humans have much of a problem with mis-spaced and altered plates. If it was related to witnesses recognising a car later on then a doctored plate is much easier to remember and recognise than a correct one. Therefore this is purely for the benefit of automated enforcement.
Peter Ward said:
I don't think humans have much of a problem with mis-spaced and altered plates. If it was related to witnesses recognising a car later on then a doctored plate is much easier to remember and recognise than a correct one. Therefore this is purely for the benefit of automated enforcement.
I disagree, I find it easier with standard formats,so I'm all for it & it's long overdue.Now I was going to say that this was good, as 99.9% of the iffy plates I see make me think "tosser" straight away, but I have just thought that on my Honda, whilst the plates are correctly spaced and of the correct font they have a Honda H symbol where the EU stars can be displayed at the edge of the plate.
Surely the testers wouldn't pick up on that, would they?
Surely the testers wouldn't pick up on that, would they?
sultanbrown said:
Now I was going to say that this was good, as 99.9% of the iffy plates I see make me think "tosser" straight away, but I have just thought that on my Honda, whilst the plates are correctly spaced and of the correct font they have a Honda H symbol where the EU stars can be displayed at the edge of the plate.
Surely the testers wouldn't pick up on that, would they?
Not legal.Surely the testers wouldn't pick up on that, would they?
vonhosen said:
andy_s said:
My 'temp' little ones are the same as big ones but just look further away....
They either meet all the regs or they don't.I'm all for making sure they are the right size, right font, right colour, and spaced correctly, but some of the other regulations seem a bit OTT.
vonhosen said:
Peter Ward said:
I don't think humans have much of a problem with mis-spaced and altered plates. If it was related to witnesses recognising a car later on then a doctored plate is much easier to remember and recognise than a correct one. Therefore this is purely for the benefit of automated enforcement.
I disagree, I find it easier with standard formats,so I'm all for it & it's long overdue.Dwight VanDriver said:
Just a reminder Gents that from tommorrow (1.10.07) they will be taking a tougher stance in relation to the vehicle registration plates on vehicles submitted for MOT.
Those that do not comply in all respects to the Regulations will be refused a ticket.
dvd
I only wish it would make a difference, but it won't, people put normal plates on for the MOT then just change them back, also a lot of the worst offenders are cars less than 3 years old, so don't need an MOT.Those that do not comply in all respects to the Regulations will be refused a ticket.
dvd
It's going to be the same as the "6 points for using a mobile phone" that came in, it has'nt made the slightest difference.
randlemarcus said:
If it reduces the use of bolts to change things, then crack on, those chaps.
After all, it all works so very very well for race-cans on bikes, doesnt it?
If you're implying that a standard set of plates will be applied to the car to get it through the MOT, only to have the "show" plates swapped back on as soon as it passes, bear in mind that the "anti-tamper" (as this is the spin that will be used to sell them to joe public) plates are coming soon. After all, it all works so very very well for race-cans on bikes, doesnt it?
While these are anti-tamper, as they are glued to the car with adhesive that is stronger than the plate so attempted removal will just break the plate, they also come with embedded RFID chip. I can see the mertis of this if a scanner is used to check plate authenticity at the MOT / roadside, but what if it becomes possible to produce these chips to react fast enough to scanners as they whiz past at 70mph...?
Ah yes ... RFID ... the snoopers dream ... Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. Some manufacturers are planning to tag just the packaging, but others will also tag their products. There is no law requiring a label indicating that an RFID chip is in a product. Once you buy your RFID-tagged jeans at The Gap with RFID-tagged money, walk out of the store wearing RFID-tagged shoes, and get into your car with its RFID-tagged tires, you could be tracked anywhere you travel. Bar codes are usually scanned at the store, but not after purchase. But RFID transponders are, in many cases, forever part of the product, and designed to respond when they receive a signal. Imagine everything you own is "numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked." Anonymity and privacy? Gone in a hailstorm of invisible communication, betrayed by your very property.
But let's not stop there. Others are talking about placing RFID tags into all sensitive or important documents: "it will be practical to put them not only in paper money, but in drivers' licenses, passports, stock certificates, manuscripts, university diplomas, medical degrees and licenses, birth certificates, and any other sort of document you can think of where authenticity is paramount." In other words, those documents you're required to have, that you can't live without, will be forever tagged.
Consider the human body as well. Applied Digital Solutions has designed an RFID tag - called the VeriChip - for people. Only 11 mm long, it is designed to go under the skin, where it can be read from four feet away. They sell it as a great way to keep track of children, Alzheimer's patients in danger of wandering, and anyone else with a medical disability, but it gives me the creeps. The possibilities are scary. In May, delegates to the Chinese Communist Party Congress were required to wear an RFID-equipped badge at all times so their movements could be tracked and recorded. Is there any doubt that, in a few years, those badges will be replaced by VeriChip-like devices?
Surveillance is getting easier, cheaper, smaller, and ubiquitous. Sure, it's possible to destroy an RFID tag. You can crush it, puncture it, or microwave it (but be careful of fires!). You can't drown it, however, and you can't demagnetize it. And washing RFID-tagged clothes won't remove the chips, since they're specifically designed to withstand years of wearing, washing, and drying. You could remove the chip from your jeans, but you'd have to find it first.
But let's not stop there. Others are talking about placing RFID tags into all sensitive or important documents: "it will be practical to put them not only in paper money, but in drivers' licenses, passports, stock certificates, manuscripts, university diplomas, medical degrees and licenses, birth certificates, and any other sort of document you can think of where authenticity is paramount." In other words, those documents you're required to have, that you can't live without, will be forever tagged.
Consider the human body as well. Applied Digital Solutions has designed an RFID tag - called the VeriChip - for people. Only 11 mm long, it is designed to go under the skin, where it can be read from four feet away. They sell it as a great way to keep track of children, Alzheimer's patients in danger of wandering, and anyone else with a medical disability, but it gives me the creeps. The possibilities are scary. In May, delegates to the Chinese Communist Party Congress were required to wear an RFID-equipped badge at all times so their movements could be tracked and recorded. Is there any doubt that, in a few years, those badges will be replaced by VeriChip-like devices?
Surveillance is getting easier, cheaper, smaller, and ubiquitous. Sure, it's possible to destroy an RFID tag. You can crush it, puncture it, or microwave it (but be careful of fires!). You can't drown it, however, and you can't demagnetize it. And washing RFID-tagged clothes won't remove the chips, since they're specifically designed to withstand years of wearing, washing, and drying. You could remove the chip from your jeans, but you'd have to find it first.
andmole said:
vonhosen said:
Peter Ward said:
I don't think humans have much of a problem with mis-spaced and altered plates. If it was related to witnesses recognising a car later on then a doctored plate is much easier to remember and recognise than a correct one. Therefore this is purely for the benefit of automated enforcement.
I disagree, I find it easier with standard formats,so I'm all for it & it's long overdue.You may think it's right however sour grapes comes to mind in saying it is for Automatic Enforcement reasons.
I think the agreived victim of a hit and run would much rather have the vehicle marked with a standard reg mark that a "prat plate"
dxg said:
randlemarcus said:
If it reduces the use of bolts to change things, then crack on, those chaps.
After all, it all works so very very well for race-cans on bikes, doesnt it?
If you're implying that a standard set of plates will be applied to the car to get it through the MOT, only to have the "show" plates swapped back on as soon as it passes, bear in mind that the "anti-tamper" (as this is the spin that will be used to sell them to joe public) plates are coming soon. After all, it all works so very very well for race-cans on bikes, doesnt it?
While these are anti-tamper, as they are glued to the car with adhesive that is stronger than the plate so attempted removal will just break the plate, they also come with embedded RFID chip. I can see the mertis of this if a scanner is used to check plate authenticity at the MOT / roadside, but what if it becomes possible to produce these chips to react fast enough to scanners as they whiz past at 70mph...?
Funky Nige is quite right, in that the ACPO guidelines on smaller numberplates have changed so that its down to the officers discretion as to whether to issue a Construction and Use regs ticket. The readability test is sensible, and mostly welcome.
As for the anti-tamper plates, unless they are going to make it illegal to buy plates bought outside the UK, they can shove that one up their Civil Service bottoms. Just another shining example of perfectly adequate legislation being unenforced, and replaced with mean-spirited, petty legislation.
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