Lucy Letby Guilty
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It was difficult to understand exactly how she was going to appeal when her defence (apart from the bizarre inclusion of a local plumber) amounted to nothing more than “I didn’t do it your honour”.
I still think there’s a possibility of a massive miscarriage of justice on this but circumstantial evidence is still evidence and “I don’t do it your honour” probably wasn’t going to cut it.
On the balance of probabilities Lucy Letby probably did murder, harm and attempt to do harm to all those poor children but there’s still an uncomfortable doubt when saying someone is probably a child serial killer so lock them up forever.
I still think there’s a possibility of a massive miscarriage of justice on this but circumstantial evidence is still evidence and “I don’t do it your honour” probably wasn’t going to cut it.
On the balance of probabilities Lucy Letby probably did murder, harm and attempt to do harm to all those poor children but there’s still an uncomfortable doubt when saying someone is probably a child serial killer so lock them up forever.
iDrive said:
PRO 5T said:
...On the balance of probabilities Lucy Letby probably did murder...
Beyond reasonable doubtSource;
https://news.sky.com/story/inside-courtroom-seven-...
PRO 5T said:
Indeed. Obviously there were reasonable doubts on some of the charges and not on others, after over 100 hours of deliberation resulted in the majority guilty verdicts of some charges. It took 76 hours of deliberations just to find her guilty of the first charge, following that over 24 hours of deliberations followed before more guilty charges were found.
Source;
https://news.sky.com/story/inside-courtroom-seven-...
A majority verdict simply means that 10 or more jurors were sure of guilt on that particular count. Not sure is not guilty.Source;
https://news.sky.com/story/inside-courtroom-seven-...
PRO 5T said:
iDrive said:
PRO 5T said:
...On the balance of probabilities Lucy Letby probably did murder...
Beyond reasonable doubtSource;
https://news.sky.com/story/inside-courtroom-seven-...
I live in the area covered by the hospital. Our children and grandchildren were born there. I don't think any of the births were completely uneventful, and one of the grandchildren spent time in intensive care around the time Letby was there.
We know people who work at the hospital too. I think the general feeling is still disbelief - she may well have done it, but she's been convicted because there's no other explanation for many of the deaths. It didn't help her that she came across as a bit weird.
Sheepshanks said:
It's been gone over in the thread many times already.
I live in the area covered by the hospital. Our children and grandchildren were born there. I don't think any of the births were completely uneventful, and one of the grandchildren spent time in intensive care around the time Letby was there.
We know people who work at the hospital too. I think the general feeling is still disbelief - she may well have done it, but she's been convicted because there's no other explanation for many of the deaths. It didn't help her that she came across as a bit weird.
It has been gone over and around and round, and yes it is a bit pointless discussing it further on PH but then so are a lot of things. The bit in bold though...I live in the area covered by the hospital. Our children and grandchildren were born there. I don't think any of the births were completely uneventful, and one of the grandchildren spent time in intensive care around the time Letby was there.
We know people who work at the hospital too. I think the general feeling is still disbelief - she may well have done it, but she's been convicted because there's no other explanation for many of the deaths. It didn't help her that she came across as a bit weird.
In todays works of forensics, data collection, CCTV and science it came down to that and some incredible coincidences. When you listened to the podcast that followed the trial almost daily a lot of the court watchers came up with the same conclusion- "there was no other compelling explanation and she didn't really help herself with her behaviour/actions"
PRO 5T said:
Sheepshanks said:
It's been gone over in the thread many times already.
I live in the area covered by the hospital. Our children and grandchildren were born there. I don't think any of the births were completely uneventful, and one of the grandchildren spent time in intensive care around the time Letby was there.
We know people who work at the hospital too. I think the general feeling is still disbelief - she may well have done it, but she's been convicted because there's no other explanation for many of the deaths. It didn't help her that she came across as a bit weird.
It has been gone over and around and round, and yes it is a bit pointless discussing it further on PH but then so are a lot of things. The bit in bold though...I live in the area covered by the hospital. Our children and grandchildren were born there. I don't think any of the births were completely uneventful, and one of the grandchildren spent time in intensive care around the time Letby was there.
We know people who work at the hospital too. I think the general feeling is still disbelief - she may well have done it, but she's been convicted because there's no other explanation for many of the deaths. It didn't help her that she came across as a bit weird.
In todays works of forensics, data collection, CCTV and science it came down to that and some incredible coincidences. When you listened to the podcast that followed the trial almost daily a lot of the court watchers came up with the same conclusion- "there was no other compelling explanation and she didn't really help herself with her behaviour/actions"
Then Chief Exec Tony Chambers has of course moved on to other NHS directorship roles.
Hammersia said:
Haven't changed my view - appalling miscarriage of justice.
No forensic or eyewitness evidence, no clear motive, hospital authorities botching investigations or covering up, use of highly selective statistics, jurors under enormous pressure to account, etc etc
Without the confession evidence, I might have had similar thoughts. No forensic or eyewitness evidence, no clear motive, hospital authorities botching investigations or covering up, use of highly selective statistics, jurors under enormous pressure to account, etc etc
Sheepshanks said:
agtlaw said:
Without the confession evidence, I might have had similar thoughts.
What's worrying (for the wider popuation) is that one of my daughters, who works in the NHS and is a similar age to Letby, thought her notes etc weren't unusual amongst young women.PinkHouse said:
Sheepshanks said:
agtlaw said:
Without the confession evidence, I might have had similar thoughts.
What's worrying (for the wider popuation) is that one of my daughters, who works in the NHS and is a similar age to Letby, thought her notes etc weren't unusual amongst young women.PinkHouse said:
Sheepshanks said:
agtlaw said:
Without the confession evidence, I might have had similar thoughts.
What's worrying (for the wider popuation) is that one of my daughters, who works in the NHS and is a similar age to Letby, thought her notes etc weren't unusual amongst young women.PinkHouse said:
Sheepshanks said:
agtlaw said:
Without the confession evidence, I might have had similar thoughts.
What's worrying (for the wider popuation) is that one of my daughters, who works in the NHS and is a similar age to Letby, thought her notes etc weren't unusual amongst young women.Hammersia said:
Her notes were mumbo jumbo open to all sorts of interpretations. If you didn't know what she was accused of you wouldn't have been able to make anything out from the notes.
"I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them and I am a horrible evil person ... I am evil. I did this."agtlaw said:
Hammersia said:
Her notes were mumbo jumbo open to all sorts of interpretations. If you didn't know what she was accused of you wouldn't have been able to make anything out from the notes.
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