Cumbria Police say 'altered' motorcycles are illegal...
Discussion
Devil2575 said:
Snowboy said:
For example - I wouldn't decide Jag engineers were crap because the Jag advertising team made a bad advert.
Unless you already had a dislike for Jag and were looking for a reason to bash them.To be absolutely precise on this one, then no, I wouldn't decide Jaguar engineers were in any way deficient because of an advert. I would, however, start to question Jaguar as a whole because of that advert.
I find it quite hard to believe that the copy wasn't passed back for a quick sanity check. I find it quite easy to believe that an actual officer might be capable of spouting absolute piffle, especially where the intent is to discourage hooning-type behaviour.
It's a pretty crap analogy, to be honest.
The Police are expected to know the areas of law they seek to work with. Any misdirection by them causes disproportionate harm, both in the direct effect of people believing it and the reputational harm when it's shown to be untrue.
It may be a relatively minor error by a press department, but it has larger consequences. The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
The relationship between traffic police and enthusiastic bikers is a finely balanced one and it takes very little to upset it.
The Police are expected to know the areas of law they seek to work with. Any misdirection by them causes disproportionate harm, both in the direct effect of people believing it and the reputational harm when it's shown to be untrue.
It may be a relatively minor error by a press department, but it has larger consequences. The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
The relationship between traffic police and enthusiastic bikers is a finely balanced one and it takes very little to upset it.
Rovinghawk said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Which they've realised and corrected
Which they've had pointed out to them & corrected?RH
What a great team effort by everyone.
All the confusion has been resolved.
The only quedtion now is whether to be pleased it's fixed, or to keep mianing that it wad wrong in the first place.
I didn't misquote up there BTW.
I wasn't quoting. I was explaining my interpretation of what the press release.
Quite a different thing.
10 Pence Short said:
It may be a relatively minor error by a press department, but it has larger consequences. The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
Really? What larger consequences would that be? A load of plod hating tin hatters getting self-righteously worked up over a bit of poor English?I think storm in a teacup is a more apt description.
Bert
10 Pence Short said:
The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
No. The multi-page thread demonstrates that some people are full of their own self importance and can never get enough of "You don't want to do like that, you want to do it like this " (Remember him)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QZsjuCKjg&fea...
BertBert said:
Really? What larger consequences would that be? A load of plod hating tin hatters getting self-righteously worked up over a bit of poor English?
I think storm in a teacup is a more apt description.
Bert
Here here, people don't half get worked up over nothing on this forum. I think storm in a teacup is a more apt description.
Bert
10 Pence Short said:
It's a pretty crap analogy, to be honest.
The Police are expected to know the areas of law they seek to work with. Any misdirection by them causes disproportionate harm, both in the direct effect of people believing it and the reputational harm when it's shown to be untrue.
It may be a relatively minor error by a press department, but it has larger consequences. The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
The relationship between traffic police and enthusiastic bikers is a finely balanced one and it takes very little to upset it.
It's a simple mistake to make and I don't think it causes any harm.The Police are expected to know the areas of law they seek to work with. Any misdirection by them causes disproportionate harm, both in the direct effect of people believing it and the reputational harm when it's shown to be untrue.
It may be a relatively minor error by a press department, but it has larger consequences. The fact there's a multi-page thread here demonstrates the fact.
The relationship between traffic police and enthusiastic bikers is a finely balanced one and it takes very little to upset it.
Those who get worked up by stuff like this and don't simply accept the correction are people who have already decided that they hate the Police.
The multipage thread here is simply down to a few 'Police haters' who will use anything to bash them.
No individual or organisation is perfect. Mistakes will always be made because humans sometimes cock up. Making a big deal out of something like this is just daft and only makes sense if you have an axe to grind.
Hey, that's not right...I'm the pedant round here
LoonR1 said:
Rovinghawk said:
May we successfully use that excuse with Cumbria Police if necessary?
RH
You can try but you'd probably be unsuccessful. I'd have thought a pedant, like you, would know that a mistake in spelling or grammar is not a criminal offence. RH
It's a fine line between errors in English and making up laws on the spot because you can, or you think you can because the work wear and some pledge you uttered says you can.
'I do solemnly swear to create one new law a day even if New Labour aren't in office......
'Cumbria police alter press release on altered motorcycles'?
'Cumbria police take Greek citizenship to speed up adoption of German TuV regulations on modified motorcycles in the interests of Lake District National Park.....
So that's two Euro boxes ticked, a new law box ticked, a tourism box ticked, the wildlife box ticked and the environmental box ticked.
That more than cancels out the bad English crosses.
'I do solemnly swear to create one new law a day even if New Labour aren't in office......
'Cumbria police alter press release on altered motorcycles'?
'Cumbria police take Greek citizenship to speed up adoption of German TuV regulations on modified motorcycles in the interests of Lake District National Park.....
So that's two Euro boxes ticked, a new law box ticked, a tourism box ticked, the wildlife box ticked and the environmental box ticked.
That more than cancels out the bad English crosses.
bimsb6 said:
Snowboy said:
I woukd guess he's just misspoke.
Although I haven't seen the other ads - link didn't work on my phone.
There are illegal alterations that make bikes go faster.
There are also legal alterations that make a bike go faster.
Care to enlighten us of these "illegal" mods ? Although I haven't seen the other ads - link didn't work on my phone.
There are illegal alterations that make bikes go faster.
There are also legal alterations that make a bike go faster.
1. 'big bore' kits on 50s - turning them from a cat P moped into a Motorcycle
2. 'big bore kits' on L plated 125s - making them illegal for unsupervised learner riding
3. circumvention of restrictors or limiters to make a bike A1 or A2 rather than full cat A
4. derestriction of electrically assisted bicycles - which turns them into a cat P moped ( and therefore requires relevant driving licence (+/+- L plates), insurance, registration + IVA, moped VED , motorcycle spec helmet ... )
Snowboy said:
Things appear illegal, and the police stop you to verify if they are illegal.
It's quite hard to be sure that an exhaust is illegal when it's passing you at 60mph.
But it could appear to be illegal, and so result in a pull.
Afaik this has always been legal, they are just warning bikers about increased viligance.
another example would be when what appears to be a cat P moped passes by on the flat well in excess of 30 mph / 50 kph ... or something that looks like a 125 being ridden on L plates is rather faster that would be expected ... It's quite hard to be sure that an exhaust is illegal when it's passing you at 60mph.
But it could appear to be illegal, and so result in a pull.
Afaik this has always been legal, they are just warning bikers about increased viligance.
LoonR1 said:
Rovinghawk said:
May we successfully use that excuse with Cumbria Police if necessary?
RH
You can try but you'd probably be unsuccessful. I'd have thought a pedant, like you, would know that a mistake in spelling or grammar is not a criminal offence. RH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QszEKNqFrY
Don't talk to me about Loud?
I wasn't aware you could derestrict an electrically assisted bicycle. That does sound fun.
Don't talk to me about Loud?
I wasn't aware you could derestrict an electrically assisted bicycle. That does sound fun.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 7th May 09:15
mph1977 said:
bimsb6 said:
Snowboy said:
I woukd guess he's just misspoke.
Although I haven't seen the other ads - link didn't work on my phone.
There are illegal alterations that make bikes go faster.
There are also legal alterations that make a bike go faster.
Care to enlighten us of these "illegal" mods ? Although I haven't seen the other ads - link didn't work on my phone.
There are illegal alterations that make bikes go faster.
There are also legal alterations that make a bike go faster.
1. 'big bore' kits on 50s - turning them from a cat P moped into a Motorcycle
2. 'big bore kits' on L plated 125s - making them illegal for unsupervised learner riding
3. circumvention of restrictors or limiters to make a bike A1 or A2 rather than full cat A
4. derestriction of electrically assisted bicycles - which turns them into a cat P moped ( and therefore requires relevant driving licence (+/+- L plates), insurance, registration + IVA, moped VED , motorcycle spec helmet ... )
bimsb6 said:
mph1977 said:
bimsb6 said:
1. 'big bore' kits on 50s - turning them from a cat P moped into a Motorcycle
2. 'big bore kits' on L plated 125s - making them illegal for unsupervised learner riding
3. circumvention of restrictors or limiters to make a bike A1 or A2 rather than full cat A
4. derestriction of electrically assisted bicycles - which turns them into a cat P moped ( and therefore requires relevant driving licence (+/+- L plates), insurance, registration + IVA, moped VED , motorcycle spec helmet ... )
The derestricted electric bikes and race exhausts mean that the bike is no longer road legal, and most people would call them "illegal modifications". If the owner did it himself, he probably did it with the intention of continuing to ride the bike on the road...
carinaman said:
Kids on derestricted bikes are fair game.
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