Parking Eye - £100 "fine" for meeting someone @ Fleet servic
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Though I'd get the experts opinion on this! I've searched through a few previous threads but some of info conflicts with what I'm reading.
Short story: I met with a chap at Fleet services on the M3 one evening a couple of weeks back who was giving me some car parts. You know how it is - you have a common interest with someone and get chatting. We there a fair while!
Today I receive a letter telling me I overstayed my 2hr welcome there by 31mins, and I now have to pay a £100 fine (or £60 if I pay quickly.....how nice of them!)
I wasn't even aware there was a limit! I never even left the car, we just stayed chatting next to them for a while. Seems pretty harsh given the circumstances, and the car park was largely empty. I appreciate that they need to guard against people taking the pass by leaving their cars there all day and then hitching lifts into London or something, but I'd like to appeal this as I feel I'm being bumped! I didn't purchase anything in the shops there....not sure if that harms my case or not?
I've seen that POPLA are the guys to go to, but they state I need to try and resolve it with PE first, which is the opposite of what I've been reading on here.
Any thoughts?
Short story: I met with a chap at Fleet services on the M3 one evening a couple of weeks back who was giving me some car parts. You know how it is - you have a common interest with someone and get chatting. We there a fair while!
Today I receive a letter telling me I overstayed my 2hr welcome there by 31mins, and I now have to pay a £100 fine (or £60 if I pay quickly.....how nice of them!)
I wasn't even aware there was a limit! I never even left the car, we just stayed chatting next to them for a while. Seems pretty harsh given the circumstances, and the car park was largely empty. I appreciate that they need to guard against people taking the pass by leaving their cars there all day and then hitching lifts into London or something, but I'd like to appeal this as I feel I'm being bumped! I didn't purchase anything in the shops there....not sure if that harms my case or not?
I've seen that POPLA are the guys to go to, but they state I need to try and resolve it with PE first, which is the opposite of what I've been reading on here.
Any thoughts?
Not much help I'm afraid were you going North or South,
You have to drive past the attached picture to enter the NB car park and a Google streetview shows signs all over the car park.
And no you don't have to "spend a penny" whilst you are in there to get the 2 hr free parking.
Google "DfT 02/2013" page 17 I think.
You have to drive past the attached picture to enter the NB car park and a Google streetview shows signs all over the car park.
And no you don't have to "spend a penny" whilst you are in there to get the 2 hr free parking.
Google "DfT 02/2013" page 17 I think.
This is very common now I'm afraid.
You'll be surprised if you ever go to pay the parking charge, as I was the first time I did so, I gave them my reg as asked, and they immediately pulled up a digital image of my car entering the services.
I'm guessing you'll have to pay this I'm afraid.
You'll be surprised if you ever go to pay the parking charge, as I was the first time I did so, I gave them my reg as asked, and they immediately pulled up a digital image of my car entering the services.
I'm guessing you'll have to pay this I'm afraid.
speedyguy said:
Not much help I'm afraid were you going North or South,
You have to drive past the attached picture to enter the NB car park and a Google streetview shows signs all over the car park.
And no you don't have to "spend a penny" whilst you are in there to get the 2 hr free parking.
Google "DfT 02/2013" page 17 I think.
Southbound. Truth be told I didn't even think to look for any signs relating to parking as it was free!You have to drive past the attached picture to enter the NB car park and a Google streetview shows signs all over the car park.
And no you don't have to "spend a penny" whilst you are in there to get the 2 hr free parking.
Google "DfT 02/2013" page 17 I think.
Kitchski
you have 2 choices
1) pay the money
OR 2) (and this is the better option)
Log on and register at the pepipoo.com website, go to the private parking section and put up your query there.
IF you follow their advice to the letter it will cost you nothing, and will cost the rapacious parking company £27.00 for the privilege
There will be some on here who will berate you for following 2) BUT ask yourself, is a £100.00 speculative INVOICE ( NB not a fine) fair value AND a Genuine Pre estimate of Loss < which it what 99.9% appeals at popla win on
The decision rests with you.
One point IF the car is either lease hire or company, then contact the PPC straightaway, otherwise the company will pay the invoice then send you another invoice for more due to their 'procedures'
The best course is ( if car is in your name)to wait until they send you a notice to owner letter, that costs them another £2.50!!! Oh and NEVER write them them in the first pesrson, always the driver did this, the driver did not see that etc and NEVER admit to being the driver,
The best people on pepipoo are Amongst others hcanderson and schoolrunmum
So throw away at least 60.00 of your money, OR spend nothing and make them pay!!!
I have no conction with pepipoo except reading the posts
you have 2 choices
1) pay the money
OR 2) (and this is the better option)
Log on and register at the pepipoo.com website, go to the private parking section and put up your query there.
IF you follow their advice to the letter it will cost you nothing, and will cost the rapacious parking company £27.00 for the privilege
There will be some on here who will berate you for following 2) BUT ask yourself, is a £100.00 speculative INVOICE ( NB not a fine) fair value AND a Genuine Pre estimate of Loss < which it what 99.9% appeals at popla win on
The decision rests with you.
One point IF the car is either lease hire or company, then contact the PPC straightaway, otherwise the company will pay the invoice then send you another invoice for more due to their 'procedures'
The best course is ( if car is in your name)to wait until they send you a notice to owner letter, that costs them another £2.50!!! Oh and NEVER write them them in the first pesrson, always the driver did this, the driver did not see that etc and NEVER admit to being the driver,
The best people on pepipoo are Amongst others hcanderson and schoolrunmum
So throw away at least 60.00 of your money, OR spend nothing and make them pay!!!
I have no conction with pepipoo except reading the posts
LoonR1 said:
Kitchski said:
Any thoughts?
Yes. First thought is pay up. - Make a soft appeal directly to the private parking company (who will reject it).
- Obtain a POPLA code from the parking company (will be in the rejection letter).
- Use the code to appeal directly to POPLA (see MSE/Pepipoo on example letters).
- Win the case.
silverfoxcc said:
Kitchski
you have 2 choices
1) pay the money
OR 2) (and this is the better option)
Log on and register at the pepipoo.com website, go to the private parking section and put up your query there.
IF you follow their advice to the letter it will cost you nothing, and will cost the rapacious parking company £27.00 for the privilege
There will be some on here who will berate you for following 2) BUT ask yourself, is a £100.00 speculative INVOICE ( NB not a fine) fair value AND a Genuine Pre estimate of Loss < which it what 99.9% appeals at popla win on
The decision rests with you.
One point IF the car is either lease hire or company, then contact the PPC straightaway, otherwise the company will pay the invoice then send you another invoice for more due to their 'procedures'
The best course is ( if car is in your name)to wait until they send you a notice to owner letter, that costs them another £2.50!!! Oh and NEVER write them them in the first pesrson, always the driver did this, the driver did not see that etc and NEVER admit to being the driver,
The best people on pepipoo are Amongst others hcanderson and schoolrunmum
So throw away at least 60.00 of your money, OR spend nothing and make them pay!!!
I have no conction with pepipoo except reading the posts
^^^^^^ Thisyou have 2 choices
1) pay the money
OR 2) (and this is the better option)
Log on and register at the pepipoo.com website, go to the private parking section and put up your query there.
IF you follow their advice to the letter it will cost you nothing, and will cost the rapacious parking company £27.00 for the privilege
There will be some on here who will berate you for following 2) BUT ask yourself, is a £100.00 speculative INVOICE ( NB not a fine) fair value AND a Genuine Pre estimate of Loss < which it what 99.9% appeals at popla win on
The decision rests with you.
One point IF the car is either lease hire or company, then contact the PPC straightaway, otherwise the company will pay the invoice then send you another invoice for more due to their 'procedures'
The best course is ( if car is in your name)to wait until they send you a notice to owner letter, that costs them another £2.50!!! Oh and NEVER write them them in the first pesrson, always the driver did this, the driver did not see that etc and NEVER admit to being the driver,
The best people on pepipoo are Amongst others hcanderson and schoolrunmum
So throw away at least 60.00 of your money, OR spend nothing and make them pay!!!
I have no conction with pepipoo except reading the posts
Its almost 100% certain that Parking Eye are not acting within the law so why pay them. I bet their contract with the land owner is insufficient, I bet that the penalty is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, I bet that a contract hasn't been created as no consideration has been exchanged etc
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 26th July 20:41
g3org3y said:
LoonR1 said:
Kitchski said:
Any thoughts?
Yes. First thought is pay up. - Make a soft appeal directly to the private parking company (who will reject it).
- Obtain a POPLA code from the parking company (will be in the rejection letter).
- Use the code to appeal directly to POPLA (see MSE/Pepipoo on example letters).
- Win the case.
I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
LoonR1 said:
And here come the communists. Meat is murder, land can not be owned blah, blah.
I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
I absolutely agree, and I'm happy to pay if I exceed the time.I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
It costs a fortune to run these services, they are obliged to give you two hours free.
Nigel and Loon
you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two seconds.
If you take longer it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two seconds.
If you take longer it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
Edited by silverfoxcc on Saturday 26th July 21:01
LoonR1 said:
And here come the communists. Meat is murder, land can not be owned blah, blah.
I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
A company that owns the land can charge you for parking there, but it has to do it within the law. Generally Parking Eye do not own the land and do not generally comply with the law as demonstrated by the raft of cases they have lost. I don't see why a company that owns land can't charge you for using it, especially as they let you stay for free for a while too.
Why should someone be able to profit by acting outside the law?
silverfoxcc said:
Nigel and Loon
you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two seconds.
If you take longer it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
Brilliant argument. What a shame that no such notice exists on this or any other thread on PH, but the Services in question have signs all over advising the parking T&Cs as per the second poster on this thread. you have just started reading this reply and need to read the small print that says,
You must read this post within two seconds.
If you take longer it will cost you £20.00 and you should send the money to me
Fair?
Thought not
now whats the difference?
Edited by silverfoxcc on Saturday 26th July 21:01
Write them a letter saying that you don't think that £100 is a reasonable estimate of the loss they've incurred. Mention that if they disagree can they please include the POPLA code as you will lodge an appeal with them. They will cancel the charge.
Private companies can't issue fines for any amount they feel like, regardless of what they put on their signs.
Private companies can't issue fines for any amount they feel like, regardless of what they put on their signs.
As you were with a friend dogging chatting for two and a half hours you stopped at least seven cars parking in that spot and buying items from the services.(at a conservative 20 minutes each) If these cars all had 5 people in ( I won't go crazy and say they were all people carriers)
That's 35 x large coffees+ 35 x dead dog and mustard panini from costa, and 35 copies of Razzle or Which Pony from WH Smith. I make that over £400 of turnover. I'm sure the Gross profit at a service station is more than 25% so you can argue that £100 is getting off lightly.
That's 35 x large coffees+ 35 x dead dog and mustard panini from costa, and 35 copies of Razzle or Which Pony from WH Smith. I make that over £400 of turnover. I'm sure the Gross profit at a service station is more than 25% so you can argue that £100 is getting off lightly.
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