Taking the law into your own hands
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I just read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/man-arm...
I wish it was legal to 'clip round the ear' all oiks who seem to think its acceptable to put their feet up on train seats, & any other chavvy muppet behaviour. 'Youth of today' & all that....
I wish it was legal to 'clip round the ear' all oiks who seem to think its acceptable to put their feet up on train seats, & any other chavvy muppet behaviour. 'Youth of today' & all that....
Rick101 said:
Good on him.
Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
Yup. People arm locking kids for not taking their feet off seats is slowly and surely putting both the police, and judges out of a job. That's the reason it is looked dimly upon. It's nothing to do with proportionality of force used. Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
I tried looking at it from two angles:
If my old man arm-locked a kid that was being 'disrespectful' I would probably defend his actions.
If my child was being a little 'too cheeky' would I tell him to suck it up or have a go at the old boy for exceeding his authority?
Tricky one, but he probably should have just reported it to the guard.
If my old man arm-locked a kid that was being 'disrespectful' I would probably defend his actions.
If my child was being a little 'too cheeky' would I tell him to suck it up or have a go at the old boy for exceeding his authority?
Tricky one, but he probably should have just reported it to the guard.
Rick101 said:
Good on him.
Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
Not even close. It should be dealt with vociferously if it's outside of what is acceptable otherwise society will suffer greatly as people chose what suits them and dish out their own punishment.Sadly 'taking the law into your own hands' seems to be dealt with quite vociferously but I guess that's down to essentially putting the police and judges out of a job. They really do not like it, even if your actions are generally considered reasonable.
'Sadly' armlocking and punching children who don't do as you want them to, regardless of their attitude, isn't reasonable, although I accept this is the Internet.
Although the actions of the older guy are far from acceptable, the fact that children of this age travelling alone ,ignoring the signs about feet on seats and ignoring and provoking somebody by repeating anti social behaviour is somehow deemed acceptable shows what is really wrong with society.
Edited by grumpy52 on Monday 25th July 13:25
grumpy52 said:
Although the actions of the older guy are far from acceptable, the fact that children of this age travelling alone ,ignoring the signs about feet on seats and ignoring and provoking somebody by repeating anti social behaviour is somehow deemed acceptable shows what is really wrong with society.
I agree.Edited by grumpy52 on Monday 25th July 13:25
Ever since parents starting treating their kids like mates or 'negotiating' with them things have been going downhill at a rapid rate as far as respect is concerned.
It's the parents that need a slap or alternative punishment.
Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.
He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
PAULJ5555 said:
Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.
He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Engaged in a staring contest.He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Farted and wafted it in their direction.
Ignored them.
I'm sure there are lots of things he could have done.
TooMany2cvs said:
A grown adult decides that the appropriate response to a random sprog being a little turd is to physically assault them?
And people are defending this...?
this is PH where Dogs, staff, sons, daughters and wives are chattels and the 'rule of thumb' is felt to be the best solution to many issues ... And people are defending this...?
Love the employment link due to enforcing the law against adults assaulting kids.
Evidently not obvious enough for someone people whom support what the chap did.
remkingston said:
vonhosen said:
It's OK for you to act within the law in dealing with matters yourself, it's not OK for you to act however you like outside it.
would he have done the same if it was 20 year old tattooed thug with his feet on the seat? My guess is no.
The kids were almost certainly being cocky foul mouthed little oiks, but they are still kids and it sounds like the force was disproportionate. He should have raised the issue with the guard.
(Northern rail trains are horribly filthy inside, so feet on seats probably makes no difference)
The kids were almost certainly being cocky foul mouthed little oiks, but they are still kids and it sounds like the force was disproportionate. He should have raised the issue with the guard.
(Northern rail trains are horribly filthy inside, so feet on seats probably makes no difference)
Retroman said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Could people suggest another way the guy could of dealt with this? Not saying he did the right thing.
He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Engaged in a staring contest.He could of called the guard and the guard could also be powerless to do anything, or the guard could kick him off the train. Another good headline "Train Guard leaves 8 year old stranded"
Kids have the power these days and they know it.
Farted and wafted it in their direction.
Ignored them.
I'm sure there are lots of things he could have done.
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