Police Memorial day

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Monday 30th September 2013
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I see Winsor had the neck to turn up in a Chief Officers uniform.
Has the man no shame?. Very very poor form.

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Monday 30th September 2013
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He's a politician who has never served one day as a constable but obviously like dressing up. I bet he wouldn't have the balls to wear that uniform in some of the places I used to patrol.

You think that his dress is appropriate?

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Monday 30th September 2013
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10 Pence Short said:
Grow up.
laugh

Dear oh dear.
I take it you think his dress is appropriate then. At a day to honour officers who have given their lives in the line of duty. This man, who has never spent an hour policing or sharing their risks, dresses as if he has.
Pathetic.

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Monday 30th September 2013
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I am sorry but what on earth has this last post got to do with the Police Memorial Day?

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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I think that the Police Memorial Day is an opportunity for the police family to pay tribute to those officers who have lost their lives serving the public. It means a great deal to families and relatives, and is an opportunity to show solidarity with those who have suffered.

All previous HMI's have been serving high ranking officers and are therefore part of the family. In short, they get it.

Winsor is a civil servant who has done more to reduce morale in the police than anyone since Sheehy. For him to wear an ill fitting and unpressed parody of a Police uniform at such an event is an appalling lapse in judgement and taste in my view, and distracts from the purpose of the event.

He could take a lesson in how to conduct himself from Prince Charles, who is always impeccably and appropriately turned out.

I think I am correct in saying that officers injured in the line of duty face a much more uncertain future thanks to Mr Winsor. For that reason alone he should have stayed well away, or worn a suit.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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He should probably just have stayed away. Nothing to do with him really.
I hope we don't have the 'spectacle' of him laying a wreath on behalf of the service at the Cenotaph in November.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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ClaphamGT3 said:
But, if not him, then who? That paragon of professionalism and respect Hogan-Howe?
An HMI who has actually served?
You can't have it both ways. If you appoint an HMCIC who has never been a police officer for political reasons, you cannot expect them to represent those of us who have. It's as simple as that really.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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ClaphamGT3 said:
But who would that serving/former serving officer figurehead be?

I can't think of a long list of candidates but it would be interesting to know who you chaps think are the exemplars of the force
Steve Otter QPM ?
Former Chief Constable, served in the Met in every rank from PC to Commander. Currently an HMI.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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What the hell are you on ?
This discussion is about honouring officers who gave their lives. Both in peacetime and war. It is not an excuse to air your feeble minded ramblings. There are plenty of more appropriate avenues open for you to do that.
If you haven't got anything sensible to contribute can I suggest that, with all due respect, you just shut the fk up.
Thank You.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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This thread is about honouring fallen officers. Why don't you just stick to that?
Who would you suggest represented emergency services at the Cenotaph? ( It's not just the Police).


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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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I started the thread on the uniform issue. It did not get dragged there!
I take it have nothing to offer on the question I asked then?

( please desist from a 'stream of consciousness' ramble. Yes or no would be fine.)

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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ClaphamGT3 said:
Seems logical

What is the view on Paul Condon?
Long retired, now on the board of G4S.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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That was Sir Robert Mark. And was decades ago.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Who cares?
This is not the thread.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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There is normally quite a large delegation at Whitehall, which is what I was referring to.

My station used to have a small ceremony at the memorial plaque for officers who died in both world wars. I know the police are represented at Remembrance day ceremonies up and down the country.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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At Bath, one of the Inspectors in the 60's had fought in armour in the desert in World war 2. He had lost a leg during the conflict.
Still served as a police officer though.

Probably wouldn't pass the fitness test now, of course.

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Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Quite.
A respectful dark suit and tie would have been much more appropriate.