Incitement to religious hatred....and other racist behaviour

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With all the nonsense happening Post-Brexit with manky racists, becoming emboldened by the rise of the "Alt-right" or in plain speak downright, racist no-marks (in most cases), or old-fashioned dinosaurs, who have no inclination to see any reason to adopt modern, enlightened ways of thinking in other cases, and the election of Homer, sorry - Donald J Trump in the States - it's becoming a frightening place to be non-white and non-Christian. It's even become an issue for Brexiteer, Nadhim Zahawi (sp?), founder of YouGov, who can no longer visit his sons, who study at Princeton Uni. Who'd have thought that an isolationist would get to enjoy his isolation in well, isolation from his poor sons who are thousands of miles from home?
In this country post-Brexit, reports of religious and racially motivated attacks are on a rise with a trajectory so steep it would make the head of a stunt pilot spin uncontrollably. Who else finds this totally unacceptable? Or is it a case of "It's a local country, for local people" with the majority on folk on here? (I suspect I already know the answer, I'm just hoping to be proven wrong) This also goes for football bigots in Scotland, where racially abusive and sectarianism of a right-wing nature seems to be on the rise. Those who attempt to defend it are an eternal pox on Scotland. Such behaviour is shameful and those responsible are the lowest vermin on earth. No wonder folk South of the border get the impression that people in Scotland are at best "rowdy" for want of a better term and downright disgusting at worst. Thank God I can claim to be Irish (passport application sent off yesterday).

P.S. Mods, if this post belongs elsewhere, please feel free to repost it there...

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singlecoil said:

If there was some way you could get on the Internet, you would easily be able to check the spelling of any words you are not sure of.

I've seen it spelt with two different spellings, however one was in the Grauniad, so thought I'd better query it? - I guess they stopped paying for sub-editors some time ago ;-)

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hidetheelephants said:

It isn't on the rise, it's just more visible because of Facebook etc. The sadsacks who get off on this stuff are just that, sadsacks. Many supporters of the old firm hail from across the water, the ferries and planes from Ireland and NI are busy on match days so I fail to see what difference an Irish passport makes.

As for the rest of the post it's not clear to me what point, if any, you are trying to make.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 5th February 07:25

The Irish passport means that I will be able to continue to work in Europe when the fancy takes me (I do tour work with bands occasionally), or due to necessity, like in the past. Just remember that approx 2 to 2.5 million Brits work and live abroad in Europe.......and in the next two years, a lot of them are going to have to jump through bureaucratic hoops in order to continue with their lifestyle abroad, which pre-Brexit was completely unnecessary.

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rscott said:

Trying to stop this becoming another debate on the rights & wrongs of Brexit and going back to the OP...

I don't think there are more racists now than 3 years ago, but they have become more brazen in their behaviour.
Some feel that the result gives them the right to tell non UK citizens (or just those who "don't look British") that it's time for them to go home.

I didn't say that there were more racists - just that there are more and more racist (and in the case of white foreigners, xenophobic) attacks. They are certainly becoming more brazen, as if they have a special licence to air their filthy views....which is frankly disgusting.

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Gavia said:

If anybody has a look in the News, Politics and Economics section of this site, then you'll see a plethora of overtly racist posts and a very clear anti-Muslim slant, a lot of which goes unchecked by the mods.

Whilst there might not have been a rise in racism, what there has been is an increase in how blatant it is and how it seems to be accepted more and more. Even Biker Banter has a thread where being asked to take your helmet off when filling up with petrol has turned into a debate on the burka. There have also been comments like "special people being allowed to live different lifestyles in our communities".

I am a white middle class, good earning near 50 year old with far more right wing than left wing views and have always voted Tory. I find the current trend of overt racism quite distasteful.

I think we're politically diametrically opposed to each other - but I'm glad you and I have the same distaste for racism that so many on here seem to fail to share.

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Fozziebear said:

Loyly said:

elanfan said:

In the bin please mods

OP is just another troll.

Troll or not these conversations are good to have, I can respect others opinions even if I don't agree. So as long as the adults here can keep the thread together and not just drop into an xx bashing session we should continue

It's my guess that Loyly and Elanfan don't see racism as a problem, so would rather just shout troll, when they see something they don't agree with......which is classic trolling behaviour - which is quite ironic, don't you think?

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bmw535i said:

pcvdriver said:

The Irish passport means that I will be able to continue to work in Europe when the fancy takes me (I do tour work with bands occasionally), or due to necessity, like in the past. Just remember that approx 2 to 2.5 million Brits work and live abroad in Europe.......and in the next two years, a lot of them are going to have to jump through bureaucratic hoops in order to continue with their lifestyle abroad, which pre-Brexit was completely unnecessary.

Says who?

So in your opinion, we'll (those of us who have the inclination, or the need to) just pop over to Europe to work whenever we feel like?.....and we'll have no need of getting visas or work permits? If you think that's the case, then you may be in for a shock. Whatever you think of our own immigration levels, many British citizens rely on the unfettered access to the work market within the EU at the moment. Once we leave - how can you blithely say, it won't be a problem?

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Gavia said:

Smiler. said:

"I see the KKK"

Where Gavia, where?

"Everywhere"

LOL

Wouldn't I need to be in the US for that to be relevant?

Love the way you think you've read my mind btw, bit sad to say the least.

Hence the reason of my post - so many on here seem to think racism is funny, when it's clearly not.

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singlecoil said:

pcvdriver said:

The Irish passport means that I will be able to continue to work in Europe when the fancy takes me (I do tour work with bands occasionally), or due to necessity, like in the past. Just remember that approx 2 to 2.5 million Brits work and live abroad in Europe.......and in the next two years, a lot of them are going to have to jump through bureaucratic hoops in order to continue with their lifestyle abroad, which pre-Brexit was completely unnecessary.

I shouldn't think so. There is such a thing as negative reciprocity.

The negative reciprocity deal only applies to those who have been living abroad for quite some time. For folk like me - I don't live abroad - I merely work abroad occasionally, I like the majority of Scottish residents voted to remain, as I see the EU as a good thing in principle. I won't deny it has it's faults, which I would like to see eradicated - but why cut off your nose to spite your face? To leave the EU just seems like an isolationist, backward looking outlook on life.

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singlecoil said:

pcvdriver said:

Once we leave - how can you blithely say, it won't be a problem?

I should imagine he's saying that because he doesn't get into Brexit hysteria.

Brexit hysteria is something that foaming at the mouth Kippers get when they talk of Johnny Foreigner.

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Wow!!! Pages 3 to 8 mainly consisting of posts where the usual suspects try to equate wearing a motorcycle helmet, to wearing a hijab.
Whilst I am in no way religious, I understand those who follow certain religious practises and choose to show their adherence to their religion by certain forms of dress.
They should be allowed to carry out their devotion to their faith unquestionably and without discrimination (it's just a sad fact that some on here choose to try conflate the two).
To try equate the wearing of a hijab to wearing a motorcycle helmet is simply risible, but I guess that I didn't expect to come to any other conclusion, that PH is as right wing as ever, with the usual overt (and in some cases not so overt) hysteria about Islam.

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singlecoil said:

As a matter of interest, is there any religious practice that you would consider to be unacceptable? Any at all? Or is it just this one thing that should be legally protected?

As I've already said - I'm in no way religious myself, but for those who wish to adhere to their own religion's practises - they should be able to do so without fear of being subjected to abuse or ridicule.

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Phud said:

But, again, the burqa is not mandated in the Quran, it is purely an interpretation which is being forced to be accepted. It is not in all lines of islam nor does it have anything to do with race.

I agree with your comment, however, if you go cultural then biking culture will cause issues. Or are you ignoring tha and looking at religious only? In this case the burqa is not throughout islam, only one take of it.

However, bikers - devoted as they are to two wheels. This does not constitute a religion. It matters not one jot, if the burqa, or hijab is only observed by certain sections of the Islamic community. It is not for us to dictate what they may or may not wear in order to show their devotion to their faith.

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singlecoil said:

Devil2575 said:

Do I need to repeat my previous argument again? after all I did make it at least 2 pages back...

Please don't bother, it didn't amount to anything substantial.

Ahem Mr Singlecoil, I believe you have a history for let's just say having some rather peculiar takes on life in general, which are less than the sum of the parts - some of which border on the downright ignorant.

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Phud said:

I also want the same benefits, but since I work and have assets not a chance.

As for forgo your EU citizenship, which country is that based in and do you get the same benefits EU wide? or is the reality that each EU country has different benefits?

If you work fine you can visa in and stay, if you have no work then as with all countries where this works there are process and polices to follow, have I gone in depth, no. But as a layman's idea, thats all it is. Your lack of desire to commit to a British citizenship speaks volumes too me.

I can't wait to be the proud owner of an Irish Passport. The rest of Europe thinks we're just a bunch of jingoistic xenophobes, which is unfair on a fair percentage of us. Not all that voted to leave are xenophobes and racists, but I'd bet my house that ALL xenophobes and racists voted to leave.

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Gavia said:

singlecoil said:

Gavia said:

You claim not to like racists, but the comments made by King Herald are blatantly racist and supported by at least five others. The burka argument is old hat, it's been done to death many, many times and the legal framework means it's a flawed argument from the off.

In case nobody has mentioned this to you, Islam is NOT a race. The word you are looking for in the above context is 'Islamophobic'. Doesn't roll off the tongue so easily and takes longer to type, but at least it will raise the level of your posts from very inaccurate to only inaccurate.

That's pretty pathetic, but not unexpected. Show me what's inaccurate in my posts after you make the changes you want.

Being Islamphobic is nothing to be proud of.

Yes indeed, being a bigot due to an irrational fear of any religion, race, sexual preference, gender etc etc is nothing to be proud of, and should be something to be deeply ashamed about. Some on here are truly a bigot's bigot.

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cmaguire said:

bmw535i said:

I notice he didn't specify uncontrolled immigration. I am opposed to that, but I wouldn't consider myself uneducated or poor.

Skilled immigration should in principle always be a good thing, whereas unskilled should not (unless half the working age population have died of war or plague as examples, thereby resulting in a genuine lack of workforce).
Failing to differentiate between the two types of immigrants renders the whole debate pointless, which it often is.

The simple fact is that we need to start preparing more much more immigration, not less. We are starting to have more Victor and Victoria Meldrews, birth rates have been declining since the 1950's and in another 50 years or so The elderly will outnumber those of working age contributing to society by paying taxes and NI to pay for the pensions. (Source info from NIESR)
This means we need more inward investment in roads, schools, the NHS etc etc to cope with the influx of people needed. We will need both skilled and unskilled immigrants, as not everyone can be a banker or lawyer, or doctors etc etc, as we still need those in lower paid positions, like shop and factory workers, farm labourers, street sweepers and a whole manner of others too.