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Just recived my summons for a FPN for going through red lights and the Notice reads-
'At 17:50 on monday 14th nov 2005i was in a marked police veh in company with pc****. We were stationary at a set of traffic lights on jacobs well roundabout.
We were facing towards Manchester road abserving traffic from out left from hallings. I saw the traffic lights change in seq to green at which point we began to move forward it was then that i noticed a (My car) (reg) come from the left at speed and drove infront of our police veh.
As our traffic lights sequence green it was obvious to me that this veh had travelled through the other set of traf lights at seq red. we followed the veh onto thornton rd and sig the drv to pull over.
The driver was spoken to, offence pointed out and cautioned at which piont he replied "it was not red". EFPN issued which he refused to sign.
We then returned to Jacobs well Roundabout to make sure the they were working which they were.'
What the above does not mention is that there was a set of light between the lights he mentioned above that he would have to have gone through which are in opposite seq to the ones i was passing through and have no belay between i.e where there is a pause where both lights are at red. also the fact that there are two lanes heading in the direction he was travelling and from both the lights which i was travlling through cannot be seen ie the colour.
the question i have is would any of what he says hold in court?
'At 17:50 on monday 14th nov 2005i was in a marked police veh in company with pc****. We were stationary at a set of traffic lights on jacobs well roundabout.
We were facing towards Manchester road abserving traffic from out left from hallings. I saw the traffic lights change in seq to green at which point we began to move forward it was then that i noticed a (My car) (reg) come from the left at speed and drove infront of our police veh.
As our traffic lights sequence green it was obvious to me that this veh had travelled through the other set of traf lights at seq red. we followed the veh onto thornton rd and sig the drv to pull over.
The driver was spoken to, offence pointed out and cautioned at which piont he replied "it was not red". EFPN issued which he refused to sign.
We then returned to Jacobs well Roundabout to make sure the they were working which they were.'
What the above does not mention is that there was a set of light between the lights he mentioned above that he would have to have gone through which are in opposite seq to the ones i was passing through and have no belay between i.e where there is a pause where both lights are at red. also the fact that there are two lanes heading in the direction he was travelling and from both the lights which i was travlling through cannot be seen ie the colour.
the question i have is would any of what he says hold in court?
thanks guys for the advise,
the problem is that its a fine line and a gamble which i have to take weather i admit what i have not done or stand up and say i didnt do it!
After the officer had written the ticket i asked him if i had said that i did go through red would he have let me go and he said yes but i couldnt have known this!
if anyone knows the area they will know how bad the traffic is on that road when its busy and this is due to the light seq.
i know the effect of going through red lights, ive seen it for my own eyes.
as the above post states amber means stop if safe to do so which it wasnt but who's the judge of that me who was in the situation or the officer who could just see my roof line?
thanks again for the help guys.
the problem is that its a fine line and a gamble which i have to take weather i admit what i have not done or stand up and say i didnt do it!
After the officer had written the ticket i asked him if i had said that i did go through red would he have let me go and he said yes but i couldnt have known this!
if anyone knows the area they will know how bad the traffic is on that road when its busy and this is due to the light seq.
i know the effect of going through red lights, ive seen it for my own eyes.
as the above post states amber means stop if safe to do so which it wasnt but who's the judge of that me who was in the situation or the officer who could just see my roof line?
thanks again for the help guys.
justinp1 the same is the case with me, the sheild covers the view of the opposite traffic. going back to the area to take loads of pic which show that he couldnt have seen the lights themself.
It is a gamble when talking to an officer about an offence because if you say you did then they can prosicute as youve admitted it yourself for example-
you get stopped-
right, do you know how fast you were going?
yeah, 33 mph!
ok ill give you 3 point and ill have £60 please
or you can be cheeky and risk it-
right, do you know how fast you were going?
why, what speed have you got me at?
33 mph but cause your a cheeky so and so ill give you 3 point and ill have £60 please!
catch my drift?
so to me it doesnt matter what attitude you take with the officer its you luck and the situation which gets you away with it!
It is a gamble when talking to an officer about an offence because if you say you did then they can prosicute as youve admitted it yourself for example-
you get stopped-
right, do you know how fast you were going?
yeah, 33 mph!
ok ill give you 3 point and ill have £60 please
or you can be cheeky and risk it-
right, do you know how fast you were going?
why, what speed have you got me at?
33 mph but cause your a cheeky so and so ill give you 3 point and ill have £60 please!
catch my drift?
so to me it doesnt matter what attitude you take with the officer its you luck and the situation which gets you away with it!
"bend over and get shafted by the 'Vaselined' FPN or go to Court and get shafted without the 'Vaseline'".
Ive had that treatment before and im still sore so cant do with another.
ive already got 6 point and cant afford to get another poss 3 at the age of 23!
i really hope i found not guilty and with the help of PH i think ive got a good case!
Ive had that treatment before and im still sore so cant do with another.
ive already got 6 point and cant afford to get another poss 3 at the age of 23!
i really hope i found not guilty and with the help of PH i think ive got a good case!
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