Legitmate NIP delaying tactics?

[thisistedious]

So, fellow PHers, I may have a nasty little NIP on the the way. Just a three pointer and I'm currently only on three, but for various work and insurance reasons, anything above six may be a serious problem. However, the three I have disappear in about six months.

Thus, I am hoping for advice regards delaying the addition of three new points to my licence. Obviously I can:

1. Use the full 28 period to reply to the NIP.

Can I then:

2. Request help identifying the driver?

And then perhaps:

3. Ask for further proof - calibration docs etc?

4. Anything else?

I'm not looking to break any laws or avoid the points, merely to reduce the period when I am operating with six points to an absolute minimum.

Thanks in advance.

[thisistedious]

oldsoak said:

Now you want us to come up with some pie in the sky delaying tactics to avoid both sets of 3 points being on your licence together...when what you should be doing is ensuring you don't get caught out AGAIN...

Hi oldsoak! I'm afraid you appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that I could give the slightest st about such mealy mouthed, statist, apparatchik twaddle. It's inevitable, really, given that it's become impossible to post any question about speeding offences without a herd of bureacracy-fetishising eunuchs bleating in redundant fashion about not breaking the limit in the first place.

Put another way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Or yet another way, sod off!

For anyone in the position to actually provide further information rather than deliver an unsolicited, unwanted and very likely utterly hypocritical lesson in ethics, I'll add a little detail.

The drill goes something like this. For certain types of car loans, what happens is you give a chap your plastic licence, he rings up the DVLA, hands the phone to you, you then identify yourself and give permission for access to your records. Chap in turn is then told how many points you have and if it's eight or less, all is well. Exactly what the terms of the insurance are, I don't know. The simple fact is that the question is asked of the DVLA re points and if it's eight or less, everyone is happy. No further questions are asked of anyone.

Thus, delaying prosecution can have a material impact on the outcome of said phonecall! This is a simple matter of fact.

It's also a fact that there are at least some ways of delaying the points appearing with the DVLA, one of which is using up the initial 28 day period. I am merely enquiring what further options I may have open to me.

One immediate question regards requesting any images or other evidence to identify the driver. Is this not a reasonable request that any police force really ought to comply with? Would have thought a written request and a bit of back and forth might buy one at least a month on return for 10 minutes composition?

[thisistedious]

I'm well aware of my obligation to inform my own insurers re impending prosecutions and would not shirk it. Moreover, should anyone actually ask regards a loan about pending prosecutions I'll be full and frank. But they don't. They only want to know if the licence is valid and how many points exist. Sometimes they ring the DVLA to confirm.

[thisistedious]

grumpy geezer said:

Your points count from the date of offence so delay is futile and risky.

You clearly haven't read my clarifying post.

Edited by thisistedious on Friday 4th March 16:38

[thisistedious]

Flintstone said:

So let me get this straight.

Someone is seeking to wriggle out of the consequences of their own lawbreaking and we're fine with that?

Either you haven't read anything I've posted properly, you're really stupid or just making trouble. Whatever, get to the back of the queue.

[thisistedious]

Boosted LS1 said:

^ This. OP, you don't want to receive it within 14 days. So, either nail up your box or maybe it'll find it's way onto somebody elses doormat if posties careless. Once past 14 days they'll send you another one. Then you can play silly buggers because they can't prove the first one ever arrived. After all, why send out a second NIP if they think you got the first? Greed and easy money spring to mind. Better still if it's returned to them out of time having been sent to a wrong address first. Or resent to you out of time. There are so many flaws in the mailing system these days they really should be more careful. If only they'd use registered

I'm fairly sure they must only only prove they sent the original NIP on a date that gave them reasonable expectation it would arrive in 14 days. So, if it went out, say, after 11 days first class and got lost or delayed, then the NIP is still valid.

Anyway, I'm not asking about ways to get out of the prosecution, just for examples of legitimate questions I can ask or demands I can make, most of which will inevitably be time consuming.

[thisistedious]

oldsoak said:

My my, I'm labouring under nothing of the sort.

and

oldsoak said:

instead of wasting your time...(and ours incidentally)

oldsoak, you dear thing, you really are a glutton for punishment, aren't you? If you're not labouring under the misapprehension that I could give the slightest st about your comments, why do you keep posting? Likewise, if this is all such of waste of your time, why keep at it? Are you simple?

I suppose it's not altogether surprising that you can't compute the basic parameters of my predicament, though frankly I feel pigheadedness probably overlaps with outright stupidity in the Venn diagram of your, shall we say, epistemological shortcomings.

For those of us who live in the real world, the salient factors go something like this. As a motorist on contemporary highways and byways, with the best will in the world it's tricky to absolutely guarantee one doesn't momentarily drift over the limit into three point territory, whether by momentary poor judgement, lack of concentration, poor / cynical signage whatever.

On the other hand, the margin for a six point offence is larger and commensurately easier to manage. Thus, if nine points means major problems, one can motor with confidence while on three points. On six points, it's a Sword of Damocles scenario. The slighest error on my behalf (or that of an authority, for that matter) can spell doom.

Anyway, it really is depressing how infested with mean spirited, statist, anti-motoring apparatchiks PH has become. In the absence of any evidence of dangerous driving, you'd have thought the general disposition would be that of solidarity with any PHer who falls foul of the arbitrary and often counter productive and punitive system of road policing that currently prevails. Instead, you seek to prop up that regime. You are a fool.

[thisistedious]

grumpy geezer said:

I think you have been well advised by a number of folk already.

Considering you are on an open public forum and are requesting ways of avoiding the consequences of your actions and ways of committing more serious offences the readers of PH don't have to comprehend much of this thread to decide which of those in the debate is obtuse.

The sheer fkwittery of the above post astounds and delights.

grumpy geezer said:

You need to realise that there is a risk to delaying tactics and that risk is to add 9 points to your licence not 3 or 6.

No. What needs to happen is you need to go back and read my posts. Including the title of the thread. There's a clue in it. I was asking for advice on legitimate means of delay and clearly stated I was not looking to break any laws. Not illegal means. Or means that could make me subject to further prosecutions and additional points. Legitimate means.

To give you one very simple example, when a NIP comes through one can either reply immediately or use the full 28 day period allowed in law. Both are entirely legitimate and legal. The choice is yours but the latter delays the process. I was enquiring as to whether there were any further such legitimate options and gave some examples which I thought might qualify but was unsure. All of this was abundantly clear.

At which point - and mercifully punctuated by a handful of helpful replies - the usual cacophony of st stirring, trouble making, irrelevant, told-you-so, holier-than-thou, hypocritical, brain dead, disingenuous and tendentious pontificating was unleashed to which you have added critical mass!

Meanwhile, thanks to caziques for his/her actually relevant and helpful which addressed the question I put rather than an imagined one, I'll probably pop over to Pepipoo and see if there's a simple stratagem for all this.

Edited by thisistedious on Saturday 5th March 15:56

[thisistedious]

NIP never came. Address with DVLA is correct so assume it ain't gonna. Was always marginal, anyway, but with people getting NIPped for 36 in a 30, it doesn't take much these days.

To those of you who tried to help, I salute you. To the jobsworths and apparatchiks who sadly expedite not only their own motoring demise but also doom the rest of us to suffer witless road policing - you know who you are - I fart in your general direction.

Balance is restored to the universe.

[thisistedious]

streaky said:

For the benefit of the OP, the plural of 'apparatchik' is 'apparatckiki'.

Streaky

That would be true if we were speaking Russian, but we're not. Which is why we refer to Bolsheviks and not Bolsheviki. Frankly, there are no hard and fast rules, but I'd guestimate most nouns appropriated from foreign tongues, both proper and improper, are typically modified with the english convention for plural.

I don't recall ever seeing the use of 'apparatckiki' in English texts at school or uni. Hardly definitive, but not sure I care!

Thanks anyway. Toodles!

[thisistedious]

streaky said:

For the benefit of the OP, the plural of 'apparatchik' is 'apparatckiki'.

Streaky

That would be true if we were speaking Russian, but we're not. Which is why we refer to Bolsheviks and not Bolsheviki. Frankly, there are no hard and fast rules, but I'd guestimate most nouns appropriated from foreign tongues, both proper and improper, are typically modified with the English convention for plural.

I don't recall ever seeing the use of 'apparatckiki' in English texts at school or uni. Hardly definitive, but not sure I care!

Thanks anyway. Toodles!

Edited by thisistedious on Friday 25th March 22:10