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Who me ?

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3,863 posts

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Few years ago, I fitted a 6' fence to part of my rear garden to get some privacy from one neighbour who loved to have BBQ/parties in their rear at the weekend. When eventually neighbour ( Mrs Bucket type ) decided that she was fencing in HER bought council property, I took mine down and said -go ahead . At time ,I wanted privacy, but cost was prohibitive. Her fence is supported by wooden posts
Of late , other side has followed suite ,again at time ,I would have loved to be able to do so, as one of her kids was teasing our dog through the chestnut fence, and every time this happened I had to bring dog in. Still happens to some extent, but fence banging stops when we call dog in . This is not the issue. This fence is on concrete posts, but panels are of poor quality and individual bits are warping .
What is the issue is that neither fence was erected by me. So ,as far as I can see ,both fences are responsibility of erector. One of the wooden posts on one side has failed, and post has been tied to a tree to stop fence collapsing.




Edited by Who me ? on Sunday 10th June 20:25

HD Adam

1,636 posts

53 months

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[quote=Who me ?]Few years ago, I fitted a 6' fence to part of my rear garden to get some privacy from one neighbour who loved to have BBQ/parties in their rear at the weekend. When eventually neighbour ( Mrs Bucket type ) decided that she was fencing in HER bought council property, I took mine down and said -go ahead . At time ,I wanted privacy, but cost was prohibitive. Her fence is supported by wooden posts
Of late , other side has followed suite ,again at time ,I would have loved to be able to do so, as one of her kids was teasing our dog through the chestnut fence, and every time this happened I had to bring dog in. Still happens to some extent, but fence banging stops when we call dog in . This is not the issue. This fence is on concrete posts, but panels are of poor quality and individual bits are warping .
What is the issue is that neither fence was erected by me. So ,as far as I can see ,both fences are responsibility of erector. One of the wooden posts on one side has failed, and post has been tied to a tree to stop fence collapsing.
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Cool Story Bro etc.

What exactly is your question though?






LordFlathead

7,933 posts

127 months

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I think he means:

  • He put up first fence
  • Took it down to allow neighbour 1 to erect their own fence
  • Neighbour 2 decides to erect their own fence
  • Both fences are of dubious quality so need repair/replacement
  • OP thinks the onus of responsibility is for the neighbours to repair the fences
I thought it depended on which side of the garden the fences were? confused

Zoobeef

1,310 posts

27 months

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LordFlathead said:
I think he means:

  • He put up first fence
  • Took it down to allow neighbour 1 to erect their own fence
  • Neighbour 2 decides to erect their own fence
  • Both fences are of dubious quality so need repair/replacement
  • OP thinks the onus of responsibility is for the neighbours to repair the fences
I thought it depended on which side of the garden the fences were? confused
No depends on your deeds

tbc

1,525 posts

44 months

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moral of the story

get a double lap fence you cannot see through, not a ship lap one a proper fence

cost £100

get neighbour to chip in

privacy for both parties

not dog teasing

and if you want to chat you have the privacy ( a la wilson from home improvement)



Edited by tbc on Sunday 10th June 20:53

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rs1952

3,274 posts

128 months

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Zoobeef said:
LordFlathead said:
I think he means:

  • He put up first fence
  • Took it down to allow neighbour 1 to erect their own fence
  • Neighbour 2 decides to erect their own fence
  • Both fences are of dubious quality so need repair/replacement
  • OP thinks the onus of responsibility is for the neighbours to repair the fences
I thought it depended on which side of the garden the fences were? confused
No depends on your deeds
That depends.

There was another thread on here a few days ago about boundary maintenance responsibility (and no it doesn't depend on which the side of the garden the fence is, that is an urban myth, which is a polite way of saying bullshyte). wink

The conveyance documents (deeds if you like) will, or rather may, tell you which boundary is your responsibility, but that doesn't stop you putting up whatever fence you like on your side of the boundary, even if the neighbour is responsible for that boundary. As long as its on your land, and not on the boundary itself, that is.


Now, should you take it into your head to replace a fence that isn't yours (ie replace the boundary fence itself) then, theoretically at least, if you've taken somebody else's fence down then that's theft. Whether a judge would ever agree a damages claim for an old fence that you replaced with a new one is debatable, but I'm being pedantic smile. But, and more importantly, if you have done just that, then you have at that point taken on implied responsibility for that fence, so its no good you putting a new fence up and then expecting your neighbour to maintain it.

Mr GrimNasty

2,470 posts

39 months

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Not sure what the question is.

People are not normally (few exceptions, but not commonplace) obliged to maintain a fence of any description even if the boundary is their responsibility, so unless it has become an 'unsafe structure' (highly unlikely!) there is SFA you can do about the design/state of it.

What you can do is slam in your own fence right up against theirs, but best to make it removable or they'll irk you further by removing their fence for a 4" land grab.

Even if their fence reaches the state where your dog can get through, it is your responsibility to control/contain your dog, not their responsibility to fix their fence.

Neighbours eh!


snuffle

1,582 posts

51 months

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[quote=Who me ?] one neighbour who loved to have BBQ/parties in their rear at the weekend.
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Juvenile snigger

rs1952

3,274 posts

128 months

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Mr GrimNasty said:
Not sure what the question is.

People are not normally (few exceptions, but not commonplace) obliged to maintain a fence of any description even if the boundary is their responsibility, so unless it has become an 'unsafe structure' (highly unlikely!) there is SFA you can do about the design/state of it.
True. "Boundary maintenance responsibility" is simply what it says on the tin - you are responsible for marking and maintaining the boundary.

A post and wire fence would fulfill that function.

Who me ?

Original Poster:

3,863 posts

81 months

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Mr GrimNasty said:
Not sure what the question is.

People are not normally (few exceptions, but not commonplace) obliged to maintain a fence of any description even if the boundary is their responsibility, so unless it has become an 'unsafe structure' (highly unlikely!) there is SFA you can do about the design/state of it.

What you can do is slam in your own fence right up against theirs, but best to make it removable or they'll irk you further by removing their fence for a 4" land grab.

Even if their fence reaches the state where your dog can get through, it is your responsibility to control/contain your dog, not their responsibility to fix their fence.

Neighbours eh!
Problem is that one fence put up by one neighbour is of dubious quality, and I've no desire to let her bodge merchants into my side to do a repair, after the last effort ,where a lot of plants were damaged. After the obvious temporary repair by clamping the fence to a tree , I'd suggest that there'll be no attempt to repair damage to fence post. On the dog front, they've also got a dog, so presumably there 'l be some responsibility to stop their dog causing problems ?


Mr GrimNasty

2,470 posts

39 months

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rs1952 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Not sure what the question is.

People are not normally (few exceptions, but not commonplace) obliged to maintain a fence of any description even if the boundary is their responsibility, so unless it has become an 'unsafe structure' (highly unlikely!) there is SFA you can do about the design/state of it.
True. "Boundary maintenance responsibility" is simply what it says on the tin - you are responsible for marking and maintaining the boundary.

A post and wire fence would fulfill that function.
You don't HAVE to mark or maintain any boundary feature at all in most cases.

Mr GrimNasty

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[quote=Who me ?]

Problem is that one fence put up by one neighbour is of dubious quality, and I've no desire to let her bodge merchants into my side to do a repair, after the last effort ,where a lot of plants were damaged. After the obvious temporary repair by clamping the fence to a tree , I'd suggest that there'll be no attempt to repair damage to fence post. On the dog front, they've also got a dog, so presumably there 'l be some responsibility to stop their dog causing problems ?


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Yes, they have to control their dog too.

You are entitled to compensation for any damage - proving/getting it is a different matter obviously!

Like I said, you don't really have any say over the state/design of the fence unless it becomes a real nuisance/hazard as in smashing up your property in the wind or likely to hurt someone.

It does sound like putting up your own sturdy fence is the best answer.

daz3210

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109 months

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If the fence was causing, or bound to cause damage say in high winds, are you within your rights to take steps to stop this, providing you do not remove the remains without permission (i.e. knock the damaged fence down and leave in neighbours garden)?

rs1952

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Mr GrimNasty said:
You don't HAVE to mark or maintain any boundary feature at all in most cases.
Not "most" by any means, but I'd agree with the word "some." It all depends on the original clause in the conveyance eg:

"The purchaser hereby covenants with the vendor that he shall erect and for ever after maintain" or words to that effect, make the purchaser responsible for putting something specific on the boundary and maintaining it in the future. The sentence might go on:

  • "a privet hedge"
  • "A stock proof fence" (especially in conveyances of rural properties
  • "A fence not exceeding six feet in height"
etc etc

In some cases you might actually be forbidden from putting up any boundary marker, for example on open-plan estates, but this would usually only apply to the front gardens, not the back ones.

If all you have to go on is "T" marks and no clause to specify what should or should not be put on the boundary, then I agree you have a greater degree of flexibility. However, and by way of example, if you have purchased a property with a wall on the boundary where responsibility is yours, and that wall becomes dangerous, it is your responsibility to deal with the problem, either by repair or taking the thing down (if allowed in the relevant clause in the conveyance)
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