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g3org3y
Original Poster
6,839 posts
60 months
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Just wondering how much of case could be made. Just driving into London this evening. Off the lights gave the old E30 some beans, prob doing 45ish but autobox was holding the revs coupled with blowing back box making the car sound loud. Out steps a police officer in a luminous vest, asked me to pull over 'for a chat'. Pulled over at the next street to find 2x police vans, multiple police officers and some other pulled over drivers! (Apparently there was some operation going on that evening). Of course, proceeded to get a telling off (probably rightly so) for 'excessive speed', as well as the usual questions regarding car ownership, insurance etc. He also checked all the tyres. Anyway, he stated that since I seemed a nice chap (obviously doesn't really know me) and suitably apologetic he'll let me off. My question is - without a speed gun rating what offence could you be charged with since apart from looking (and sounding) as though you were going quickly there's no objective/recorded evidence. - Is 'excessive speed' (of unknown quantity) a possible offence? - Perhaps it would be driving without due care? Just wondering, thanks 
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mrmr96
11,955 posts
73 months
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g3org3y said: Just wondering how much of case could be made. Just driving into London this evening. Off the lights gave the old E30 some beans, prob doing 45ish but autobox was holding the revs coupled with blowing back box making the car sound loud. Out steps a police officer in a luminous vest, asked me to pull over 'for a chat'. Pulled over at the next street to find 2x police vans, multiple police officers and some other pulled over drivers! (Apparently there was some operation going on that evening). Of course, proceeded to get a telling off (probably rightly so) for 'excessive speed', as well as the usual questions regarding car ownership, insurance etc. He also checked all the tyres. Anyway, he stated that since I seemed a nice chap (obviously doesn't really know me) and suitably apologetic he'll let me off. My question is - without a speed gun rating what offence could you be charged with since apart from looking (and sounding) as though you were going quickly there's no objective/recorded evidence. - Is 'excessive speed' (of unknown quantity) a possible offence? - Perhaps it would be driving without due care? Just wondering, thanks You could be charged with speeding, as an officers opinion is (can be) sufficient evidence.
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Fastdruid
1,218 posts
21 months
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In a 30 you can be 'done' by the opinion of two officers (although slight legal technicality that they have to see you at the same time).
No measurements, timing, radar, laser or anything else is required.
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g3org3y
Original Poster
6,839 posts
60 months
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mrmr96 said: You could be charged with speeding, as an officers opinion is (can be) sufficient evidence. Fair enough. It was a fair pull, I was being bit of a t  t (but I do think the car sounds faster than it is!). I did engage one of the other officer about the car, we actually had a decent chat about it in the time the other officer was checking the insurance details etc.
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vonhosen
27,136 posts
86 months
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You picked a great place, what with there being hardly any Police in London at the moment.
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Red 4
1,359 posts
56 months
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In answer to your question...
1 officer plus corroboration.
Which means the opinion of another officer or by means of an approved device (laser, etc.)
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streaky
18,235 posts
118 months
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Red 4 said: In answer to your question...
1 officer plus corroboration.
Which means the opinion of another officer or by means of an approved device (laser, etc.) FWIW in context, except on Motorways, where no corroboration is required by virtue of s17 RTRA 1984. Streaky
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Dwight VanDriver
6,388 posts
113 months
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Con andf Use regs ?
Avoidance of excessive noise
97. No motor vehicle shall be used on a road in such manner as to cause any excessive noise which could have been avoided by the exercise of reasonable care on the part of the driver.
dvd
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liner33
3,662 posts
71 months
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A friend of mine got a s59 because it "sounded like he was speeding" , the officer couldnt see him as he was at least 1/4 of a mile away
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g3org3y
Original Poster
6,839 posts
60 months
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Red 4 said: In answer to your question...
1 officer plus corroboration.
Which means the opinion of another officer or by means of an approved device (laser, etc.) In this instance, there was only one officer that saw/heard me pulling me over. The rest were round the corner on another street (and to my knowledge there was no speed recording device).
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ben5732
323 posts
25 months
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Goold old E30s.... Had exactly the same with mine, got a ticking off that was all.
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jazzyjeff
3,504 posts
128 months
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vonhosen said: You picked a great place, what with there being hardly any Police in London at the moment. 
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eldar
6,995 posts
65 months
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vonhosen said: You picked a great place, what with there being hardly any Police in London at the moment. Thought London was full of police, mostly from elsewhere. Overtime, seeing as G4S is paying?
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Tonsko
2,549 posts
84 months
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eldar said: vonhosen said: You picked a great place, what with there being hardly any Police in London at the moment. Thought London was full of police, mostly from elsewhere. Overtime, seeing as G4S is paying? 
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