Staff stealing takings ... 2 years @ £100 per day
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My local shop owner is, to say the least upset.
She found out last week that the member of staff who she employed and worked with pretty much every day has been stealing from her. Her initial estimates are that the amount is somewhere around £100 per day and has been this much for the last two years..
Having discovered this last Monday and confronted the person last Wednesday, after an initial denial, she admitted it. It appears it first started out as a mistake, but she seemingly she 'can't herlp her self'.
This is where it gets a little messy. Her father then approached the shop owner with a cheque for £1000 her not to go to the police ans spare her daughter from what ever follows next. The shop owner is now in possession of the cheque and her accountants are now in the process of going through all sorts in an effort to determine just how much she really did take (how they are going to do this is something I am not sure of, but seemingly they are able to get a reasonable estimate of how much has been stolen).
So, assuming the shop owner does go to the police, what is likely to be the outcome for the shop owner. Apparently, the young woman is also a dancer who teaches to children in her part time. Presumably a conviction will put pay to that. If the young woman is convicted (assuming this is a first offence), is she likely to get a custodial sentence or what is likely to happen to her?
TBO i've no idea how the shop owner 'missed' the money going missing, but that apart, what is the realistic likely outcome of this?
She found out last week that the member of staff who she employed and worked with pretty much every day has been stealing from her. Her initial estimates are that the amount is somewhere around £100 per day and has been this much for the last two years..
Having discovered this last Monday and confronted the person last Wednesday, after an initial denial, she admitted it. It appears it first started out as a mistake, but she seemingly she 'can't herlp her self'.
This is where it gets a little messy. Her father then approached the shop owner with a cheque for £1000 her not to go to the police ans spare her daughter from what ever follows next. The shop owner is now in possession of the cheque and her accountants are now in the process of going through all sorts in an effort to determine just how much she really did take (how they are going to do this is something I am not sure of, but seemingly they are able to get a reasonable estimate of how much has been stolen).
So, assuming the shop owner does go to the police, what is likely to be the outcome for the shop owner. Apparently, the young woman is also a dancer who teaches to children in her part time. Presumably a conviction will put pay to that. If the young woman is convicted (assuming this is a first offence), is she likely to get a custodial sentence or what is likely to happen to her?
TBO i've no idea how the shop owner 'missed' the money going missing, but that apart, what is the realistic likely outcome of this?
how would you not notice £20,000 being stolen each year? that's assuming this person was working 5 days a week at only 40 weeks a year. i took £250 from a job because they refused to pay me my wages after i handed my notice in, i still got convicted of theft by employee, which is worse than normal theft apparently, and got 6 months probation. she should expect quite a lot more if she has taken so much money
10 Pence Short said:
The cheque may be seen as perverting the course of justice.
£100 a day for 2 years is more than £70000.
Yes indeed it is. As the shop owner said to me, a very substantial deposit on a house. £100 a day for 2 years is more than £70000.
When I spoke to her she was almost in pieces. I think more than anything else, what has shaken her is the huge sense of betrayal and breach of trust.
drivin_me_nuts said:
10 Pence Short said:
The cheque may be seen as perverting the course of justice.
£100 a day for 2 years is more than £70000.
Yes indeed it is. As the shop owner said to me, a very substantial deposit on a house. £100 a day for 2 years is more than £70000.
When I spoke to her she was almost in pieces. I think more than anything else, what has shaken her is the huge sense of betrayal and breach of trust.
I think it may possibly be that amount every few days, and maybe amounting to a 5 figure sum, and I also think it is east to let emotions and estimates based on those cloud thinking.
If it were me, I would suspend her, and/or get her to admit how much approximately she thinks she has stolen, and get my own estimate based on accounting figures.
£1000 is a drop in the ocean, I'd rather shop her than take it. If she gets a conviction then that's her problem.
The only other outcome which would mean that the owner was less out of pocket would be to estimate the amount missing and to get the employee to 'work it off' - obviously watching her like a hawk and with the knowledge that a penny goes missing the police would be alerted.
That said - you'd have to think through the legal implications of the above, and it does 'dig the hole deeper' but if it is a substantial amount, this may very well be the only way of even seeing it back.
Same happened to my friend who owns a gym. The office lady was paying the cash in to the bank. She would take the days or weeks takings to the bank, and would only pay in the cheques, then the cashier would stamp the paying in book. She then wrote in the cash amount afterwards herself so it looked like the bank had stamped the lot, and pocketed the cash. She took 7k over about 18 months.
In the end when they realised money was missing, the told the bank who at first they suspected were making mistakes, and the bank said to only pay in on the same day to the same cashier, who was put under surveillance. Immediately they clocked what was happening.
The office lady was arrested and given a community sentance I think. She was definitely arrested in the gym, in front of everyone!
In the end when they realised money was missing, the told the bank who at first they suspected were making mistakes, and the bank said to only pay in on the same day to the same cashier, who was put under surveillance. Immediately they clocked what was happening.
The office lady was arrested and given a community sentance I think. She was definitely arrested in the gym, in front of everyone!
JustinP1 said:
A can't believe that in what seems to be a small business that that amount of money has gone missing and gone unnoticed.
I think it may possibly be that amount every few days, and maybe amounting to a 5 figure sum, and I also think it is east to let emotions and estimates based on those cloud thinking.
If it were me, I would suspend her, and/or get her to admit how much approximately she thinks she has stolen, and get my own estimate based on accounting figures.
£1000 is a drop in the ocean, I'd rather shop her than take it. If she gets a conviction then that's her problem.
The only other outcome which would mean that the owner was less out of pocket would be to estimate the amount missing and to get the employee to 'work it off' - obviously watching her like a hawk and with the knowledge that a penny goes missing the police would be alerted.
That said - you'd have to think through the legal implications of the above, and it does 'dig the hole deeper' but if it is a substantial amount, this may very well be the only way of even seeing it back.
Seemingly so. It bewilders me, it really does. I am sure in the fullness of time she will let me know - but by her own admission the women who took the takings said it was about that amount (give or take a bit) every day for two years. I think it may possibly be that amount every few days, and maybe amounting to a 5 figure sum, and I also think it is east to let emotions and estimates based on those cloud thinking.
If it were me, I would suspend her, and/or get her to admit how much approximately she thinks she has stolen, and get my own estimate based on accounting figures.
£1000 is a drop in the ocean, I'd rather shop her than take it. If she gets a conviction then that's her problem.
The only other outcome which would mean that the owner was less out of pocket would be to estimate the amount missing and to get the employee to 'work it off' - obviously watching her like a hawk and with the knowledge that a penny goes missing the police would be alerted.
That said - you'd have to think through the legal implications of the above, and it does 'dig the hole deeper' but if it is a substantial amount, this may very well be the only way of even seeing it back.
drivin_me_nuts said:
She found out last week that the member of staff who she employed and worked with pretty much every day has been stealing from her. Her initial estimates are that the amount is somewhere around £100 per day and has been this much for the last two years..
Amy I ask how she found out?sleep envy said:
Amy I ask how she found out?
CCTV.Edit: I'm unfamiliar with the use of a till, but she said to me that she has in effect been pocketing the cash that hasn't been put through the till (she also mentioned something about resetting the till and the float.. but like I said I have no idea how or what is involved in doing that)
Edited by drivin_me_nuts on Monday 25th March 14:47
I can't see her admitting in court that it was £100 per day, every day.
She'll clam up if the shop owner goes to the Police.
If it was that amount, I would expect her to do time. If it was less, maybe not.
As for the cheque, I'd rip that upon my way to the Police station. Cheeky bar steward!
She'll clam up if the shop owner goes to the Police.
If it was that amount, I would expect her to do time. If it was less, maybe not.
As for the cheque, I'd rip that upon my way to the Police station. Cheeky bar steward!
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