Bring back the death penalty

[davidball]

Could there ever be a more compelling case to bring back the death penalty than the pictures of those two animals who hacked a man to death on a London street. It will be an insult to the victim's loved ones and our civilised society to have to pay for their keep in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

[King Eric]

Very well put. To think we as a country will now foot the bill for the clearly extensive levels of security required to keep these mongrels from hurting others makes me cringe. It is a real shame the firearms officers only had time to make contact with them using side arms and not their carbines.

[Corpulent Tosser]

davidball said:

Could there ever be a more compelling case to bring back the death penalty than the pictures of those two animals who hacked a man to death on a London street. It will be an insult to the victim's loved ones and our civilised society to have to pay for their keep in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

The same could be said about many previous murders/murderers, particularly mass murder cases, but would the death penalty have detered these madmen, would it have prevented this attrocity ?
It would save the cost of keeping the perpetrators on prison, but using the US model it would probably cost in terms of court personnel time with appeals etc.
Additionally, is the death penalty not an easy way out for the murderers ?

[davidball]

I think you are right in what you say. If the death penalty is brought back it should be accompanied by an appeals process that is comprehensive and swift so those condemned are not kept waiting years for their punishment.

Death will not deter some fanatics but the present situation just means that the victim's family and society has to pay for the crime too.

This crime seems to be premeditated and committed with the intent to maximize publicity. What alternatives are there that will punish such barbarity?

This atrocity was the actions of two evil men who misused faith as a motive.

[TheLordJohn]

Just give the nod for a couple of SAS blokes and they'll soon give us the justice we should be demanding.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

davidball said:

Could there ever be a more compelling case to bring back the death penalty than the pictures of those two animals who hacked a man to death on a London street. It will be an insult to the victim's loved ones and our civilised society to have to pay for their keep in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

Could there be a worse case against the death penalty than these 2 scumbags?

The idea of imprisonment is punishment and deterrent to others. The death penalty is meant to be a bigger deterrent and punishment plus it adds in revenge. But these animals, they want to die, to get their reward in heaven.

So you are actually removing the punishment, and the deterrent, by executing them. Also the revenge is pretty feeble as well because it's what they want.

I'm not sure why you would want to give in to terrorists and got soft on them by granting their wishes?

[davidball]

I would agree with you if our laws enabled us to keep these two in solitary confinement on a diet of bread and water for the rest of their lives. However, we are a civilised society and such treatment would be cruel and inhuman. Perhaps we need some means whereby we can justify such inhuman treatment because the perpetrators are inhuman.

[Papa Hotel]

Retaliatory knee-jerk nutters, your thread is here.

fk our own sense of civilisation, let's kill, kill, kill.

[anonymous-user]

No because history shows that innocent people get convicted who would be killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es9XrKTTc_4

[andygo]

La Liga said:

No because history shows that innocent people get convicted who would be killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es9XrKTTc_4

Except in this case they aredefinately guilty though. Aren't they?

But solitary confinement on less than gourmet food would be an option.

[mrtwisty]

Papa Hotel said:

Retaliatory knee-jerk nutters, your thread is here.

fk our own sense of civilisation, let's kill, kill, kill.

I'm surprised it took this long to surface...

[anonymous-user]

andygo said:

La Liga said:

No because history shows that innocent people get convicted who would be killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es9XrKTTc_4

Except in this case they aredefinately guilty though. Aren't they?

But solitary confinement on less than gourmet food would be an option.

In this case it seems quite certain, but the problem is that word "definitely" with other cases that would be eligible for the death penalty.

[Snowboy]

I do wonder if it's sensible to consider it as an option.
Because, what are the other options?

Are our jails equipped for this sort of criminal/terrorist?

Should they just be detained indefinitely by the security services?

Should the just be 'disappeared' with no further discussion. Perhaps after a short trial?

Shrug
I think most people have more questions than answers right now.

[R32]

Seems obvious to me that these guys wanted to die.. maybe at the hands of the police. I'm actually happy the police did not kill them as thats one objective they didn't meet.

I'd still like to see a tougher punishment available than simply lounging around in a prison cell though...

[davidball]

On reflection my first post was too emotive. I spent 10 years in the ambulance service doing emergency work and I have seen mutilated bodies but the deliberate nature of this murder shocked me.

We need a cold calm discussion about how our society should punish such crimes and it should not be left to the politicians. The whole nation should be given a voice in the form of a referendum.

[Neonblau]

Just remember in the old Soviet Union there was no death penalty for the majority of crimes, treason sabotage etc being the exceptions.

Their alternative approach was much much harsher than anything currently in our system of course.

[Hugo a Gogo]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

davidball said:

Could there ever be a more compelling case to bring back the death penalty than the pictures of those two animals who hacked a man to death on a London street. It will be an insult to the victim's loved ones and our civilised society to have to pay for their keep in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

Could there be a worse case against the death penalty than these 2 scumbags?

The idea of imprisonment is punishment and deterrent to others. The death penalty is meant to be a bigger deterrent and punishment plus it adds in revenge. But these animals, they want to die, to get their reward in heaven.

So you are actually removing the punishment, and the deterrent, by executing them. Also the revenge is pretty feeble as well because it's what they want.

I'm not sure why you would want to give in to terrorists and got soft on them by granting their wishes?

exactly this

davidball said:

We need a cold calm discussion about how our society should punish such crimes and it should not be left to the politicians. The whole nation should be given a voice in the form of a referendum.

great, 10 million weirdos trying to outdo each other with new torture/execution methods

[10 Pence Short]

Ah, the death penalty.

Now where else is the death penalty a constant feature of the justice system. Oh, that's it, fundamentalist Islamic countries.

Now what do these fundamentalist Islamic terrorists want? Oh yes, they want us to change our ways of life to accommodate theirs.

Now, what were you saying about introducing the death penalty?

[mrtwisty]

Neonblau said:

Just remember in the old Soviet Union there was no death penalty for the majority of crimes, treason sabotage etc being the exceptions.

Their alternative approach was much much harsher than anything currently in our system of course.

The USSR had the Siberian gulag. We have Shorpe.





Lethal injection is definitely less of a punishment.

[jesta1865]

TheLordJohn said:

Just give the nod for a couple of SAS blokes and they'll soon give us the justice we should be demanding.

i think the Tigers would be disappointed that we thought you had to go to the SAS to get the job done. I suspect they would quite happily take it on.

I personally think that locking them up will be more of a punishment to them than a death sentence, unless we did give them a death sentence and then continually postponed it, that would wind them right up .

This crime would seem to fit in with the recent thread on here about extra punishments, i.e. kiddy fiddlers getting a pasting in jail from the inmates.