RE: Road safety research canned

RE: Road safety research canned

Friday 16th March 2007

Road safety research canned

Because it conflicts with speed camera policies


Gatso
Gatso
The Department of Transport has cancelled research that could have saved lives on the road -- but which might also have conflicted with its rigid speed camera policy.

In May 2005, the government decided that the side effects of blanket speed camera usage warranted investigation, following pressure from road safety safety campaign Safe Speed and others. In December of that year, the transport department discovered that neglect of a statistical bias had exaggerated the main benefit of speed cameras by 400 per cent. The claimed '100 lives per year saved at speed camera sites' was downgraded to 25 lives saved.

In June 2006, it discovered that a beneficial trend in road crash serious injuries was just a feature of the way these crashes are reported. Hospitalisation statistics didn't, and don't, show the same trend. Road deaths don't show the same trend.

In September 2006, the proportion of injury crashes involving any speeding vehicle nationally was found to be only five per cent -- not one-third as previously claimed.

And now Safe Speed has learned via a Freedom of Information request that the speed camera side effects research, announced in May 2005, had been axed.

According to the campaign: "it is inconceivable that the side effects don't cost more than 25 lives per year, meaning that speed cameras are making road safety worse. But the Department for Transport doesn't want to hear this, which is the only possible reason for axing the most important research."

Campaign founder Paul Smith said: "Speed camera policy has failed catastrophically. Department for Transport knows that it has failed but won't admit its deadly mistake and pull the plug. Officials seem to be hoping that speed cameras will fade away over the next five years, yet they know that the policy isn't working and is costing lives.

"If that's not a reason for road users to get angry, I don't know what is."

More details and suggestions for further action on Safe Speed's Web site.

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Strawman

Original Poster:

6,463 posts

207 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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I fear the damage is done, the wheels of government grind very slowly and while they can keep spinning it looks like they are doing something, meanwhile Ireland is following suit and introducing speed cameras here in the Autumn, no doubt based on the positive figures from the UK rolleyes

jasandjules

69,883 posts

229 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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I'm afraid that until such time as the general public grow enough brains and work out that a speed limit does not a good driver make, then the Govt will continue reaping the income of fleecing motorists by any means possible.

summit7

650 posts

229 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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As ever cart before the horse. Sooo much easier to be seen doing 'something' ie the cameras rather than address the real root cause of accidents ie driver training/attitude

jasandjules

69,883 posts

229 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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summit7 said:
As ever cart before the horse. Sooo much easier to be seen doing 'something' ie the cameras rather than address the real root cause of accidents ie driver training/attitude


That is because you can use "statistics"* to show you are hitting "targets" and actually doing something...

A bunch of lies, or data misrepresented, ignoring that which shows you are not hitting the target after all

kudosdude

24 posts

234 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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I wish someone would explain to me why this isn't at least worthy of a terrestrial news report.


Edited by kudosdude on Friday 16th March 11:25

RobPhoboS

3,454 posts

226 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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Get Paxman on the case !

scotty_917

1,034 posts

222 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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Another example of this Labour government riding rough shod over public accountability?....lies, theiving, cheating *astards!!! mad

fatboy b

9,493 posts

216 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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Well we can't have everyone knowing the truth can we?

skipppy

1,135 posts

210 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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Bad news?!?!!?

BURY IT!!

That seems to be the governments policy.

They'll probably make a public statement around budget day.

Absolute wankers.

fatboy b

9,493 posts

216 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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skipppy said:
Bad news?!?!!?

BURY IT!!

That seems to be the governments policy.

They'll probably make a public statement around budget day.

Absolute wankers.


Actually I think they're going to use the budget day to bury the fact that your council tax is going to double.

awager

204 posts

227 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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kudosdude said:
I wish someone would explain to me why this isn't at least worthy of a terrestrial news report.


Edited by kudosdude on Friday 16th March 11:25



Because, as with other things (specifically global warming), the message has gone out that speed kills, speed is wrong, speed is bad etc etc and people are now getting brainwashed. If you report something which may show that not to be the case then you are going to be ridiculed and told you are "off message".

gizmo.mp3

18,150 posts

209 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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RAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

That is all.

mattiselvis

991 posts

221 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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skipppy said:
Bad news?!?!!?

BURY IT!!

That seems to be the governments policy.

They'll probably make a public statement around budget day.

Absolute wankers.


Actually, the Government's policy is to have a major "terror alert" immediately preceding the announcement of the bad news, hence relegating it to page 7. Any bets on where this one will be?

pugs9000

242 posts

210 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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skipppy said:
Bad news?!?!!?

BURY IT!!

That seems to be the governments policy.

They'll probably make a public statement around budget day.

Absolute wankers.

Expand on that: anything that opposes a policy where by the government would have an excuse to charge us more in tax etc is labelled as complete bull sh*t. Climate change for instance- do the government ever inform the public of all the opposing views of these scientists: no, why, because they would have to debate who was right rather then how much extra tax we need to have.

patently

109 posts

214 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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So the only people with proper access to the data have binned the research that might prove that their careers have been a total waste of our money.

Am I surprised?

Do I look surprised?

Does this face look surprised to you?

Face? Surprised?

[etc]

safespeed

2,983 posts

274 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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kudosdude said:
I wish someone would explain to me why this isn't at least worthy of a terrestrial news report.


It did make quite a bit of news on Wednesday. Sun. Guardian. Daily Mail. Talksport. Sky News website. I lost count of the local radio interviews I gave. Unfortunately it got rather bumped by a lot of news about Trident. Mostly the BBC ignored it wilfully. As they do.

safespeed

2,983 posts

274 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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Folks,

The speed camera war has been won. DfT's claims are destroyed and they know it. They know camersa don't make the roads safer. But they aren't confessing to their deadly mistake.

I have systematically destroyed their claims one by one and there's nothing left. Literally nothing left.

Pistonheads folk have provided valuable financial assistance that has enabled me to work on it full time for four years now. But the job isn't done yet and I need more help.

PLEASE see the current front page on www.safespeed.org.uk and help if you can. Send the web link to your friends.

At least please sign the petition at: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scrapcam

skid

649 posts

257 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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safespeed said:
Folks,

The speed camera war has been won.


Yes but there's still the peace to be won and unless it's championed by, say a high profile entity, ie Tories/Libs (as if!!!)rather than just a newspaper, the PR machine will roll on and Mrs Housewife will still believe they're for the best.

Actually isn't highway robbery still a hanging offence in this country????

I watched a report on Digital TV coming to Cumbria (I think) soon and everyone interviewed knew nowt!!! For god's sake how much exposure has there been? I honestly think the nation has been brainwashed so much that no free thoughts to question, enquire challenge and learn exist anymore?!?!?!?

Apathy in the UK!

M

bdeng66

568 posts

224 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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awager said:
kudosdude said:
I wish someone would explain to me why this isn't at least worthy of a terrestrial news report.


Edited by kudosdude on Friday 16th March 11:25



Because, as with other things (specifically global warming), the message has gone out that speed kills, speed is wrong, speed is bad etc etc and people are now getting brainwashed. If you report something which may show that not to be the case then you are going to be ridiculed and told you are "off message".



Spot on, every time there is something on the news or TV generally about road safty there is never a discussion about 'why' there are accidents. The items/sories simply refer to speed being the cause. The implication is that the brainwashing exercise has been so successful that the Goverments original exagerated claims that a third of all accidents were caused as a result of speeding have become irrelevent (and the truth totally lost).

The same is now happening with CO2 emissions, there is no longer a healthy debate, simply a conclusion and then increased taxes (like that'll help).

What troubles me is the general populus' willingness to do nothing, and when I say nothing, I mean even question these issues. Most look blankly at you if you even mention the two subjects, which are becoming intrinsically linked.

If you do get a response its nearly always, that speeding causes accidents and CO2 causes global warming (sorry to drone on about the later, but I believe we are truly being manipulated on a grand scale for enormous political gain).

I'm starting to think that speed cameras aren't about revenue. The reason the Government won't climb down is entirly political in as much as no Government can ever admit that it was wrong, particularly on a topic that is so in the public eye, it cannot allow itself to 'loose face'.

Sadly the loss of life and mass manipulation of the populus will continue.

rchadd

123 posts

217 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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maybe Guy Fawkes had the right idea!

anyone seen the film V for Vandetta?