RE: Meredydd Hughes on the legal offensive

RE: Meredydd Hughes on the legal offensive

Wednesday 23rd May 2007

Meredydd Hughes on the legal offensive

ACPO send in their legal A-team



According to The Times, The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) will send a crack defence team to prosecute drivers who dare to challenge their speeding fine.

ACPO has created the team, called Road Safety Support, to help forces struggling to cope with the increasing number of drivers contesting tickets over a legal technicality.

Meredydd Hughes, Chief Constable of South Yorkshire and ACPO’s head of roads policing, is on the offensive: “We are going to demonstrate that spurious cases get a slap. This team will defend the integrity of enforcement equipment and help us win high-profile cases.”

“We are saying to drivers who think they can try it on, ‘Come and get us if you think you are hard enough’. We have won every case we have supported.”

Mr Hughes added: "I respect competent lawyers who go through the evidence on behalf of their client. My job is to make sure the prosecution case is as robust as the defence."

He also criticised campaign groups such as Safe Speed and the Association of British Drivers.

"What these groups have done is encourage people to believe that there is something inherently wrong with enforcing the law" said Mr Hughes.

Paul Smith, founder of SafeSpeed.org.uk, said: "This action by ACPO is a dirty trick - they are attempting to put access to justice beyond the pocket of ordinary drivers. They are effectively saying - 'you are guilty because we never make mistakes'. But the newspapers are full of Police mistakes, and, to make matters worse, one of the key pieces of police prosecution equipment is downright dodgy. So dodgy, that it has been christened the 'dodgyscope' by Internet users."

“The ACPO is merely upping their bluff. The biggest bluff of all is that the resources do not exist to prosecute every speeding case. If drivers stopped accepting fixed penalties the system would collapse in weeks. This is the real reason for the ever increasing 'bluff and bluster' tactics - they need to force us into paying fixed penalties because neither the courts nor the CPS can possibly cope with much of an increase in cases.”

"What is wrong, Mr Hughes is the overzealous application of a law that simply isn't up to the job. You are damaging confidence in the justice system, the Police / public relationship and road safety itself. You can't even comply with the speed limit yourself, because you recently had 6 driving licence points for speeding."

"We encourage drivers to investigate the case against them. I would go as far as to say that MOST speeding cases are DEFECTIVE on the prosecution side. If you dig deep enough a fatal defect is quite likely to emerge. If you know you were not speeding according to law, or you do not know who the driver was at the time of the alleged offence then you are likely to have a winnable case."

"The whole thing has become a petty war of technicalities with ACPO and the Police throwing ever increasing resources against an increasingly untrusting public. In this ridiculous war road safety has been forgotten. Mr Hughes may well claim that the law is on his side but however much he may bleat about the law the fact is that millions upon millions of speeding prosecutions are not saving lives on the road. It isn't 'the law' that matters most here, Mr Hughes, it's the number of roads fatalities. You should know better."

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jezzasmith

Original Poster:

4 posts

203 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Road saftey no, just wanting more money, yes.

Lets have a more intense driving test which will give drivers

a license which is graded to their ability (which can be up graded).



I was hit by a under cover police van a year ago, driven by a policeman

who was not driving responsibly in wet conditions. No appoligy from the local constabulary, indeed they were not even prepaird to give me and my elderly mother a lift home or to the local garage, until I made it plain that I would take it further!.....safty NO, money (sorry) revanue YES



MrKipling43

5,788 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Thank god for Paul Smith.

Mr Whippy

29,028 posts

241 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Article said:
Mr Hughes added: "I respect competent lawyers who go through the evidence on behalf of their client. My job is to make sure the prosecution case is as robust as the defence."
So what he is really saying is... "We are going to do the job we should be doing in the first place because some lawyers out there are doing their job properly and showing us up for half arsed police work"



and/or



"We got away with half arsed prosecutions that were legally flawed in the past, now we can't so we have to do the job we should have been doing anyway, and are now bigging ourselves up over it like it's something special to get a legal prosecution case brought against you"



Doh.



Dave



Edited by Mr Whippy on Wednesday 23 May 12:24


E39M52003

60 posts

207 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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What a bunch of ignorant, money grabbing sycophants to this government ACPO and the police are. Why don't they all realise what we all know; it's not people doing 34 in a 30 or 85 in a 70 that is killing people, it's bad driving. The statistics say that, the people say that, Safe Speed and the ABD say that. If only we could vote in a new police force in this democracy. Oh hang on, we aren't living in a democracy, as even our government doesn't listen to us in this shitty nanny state of a country that we all used to love.....will the last person to leave the UK please remember to turn out the light please; don't want to increase CO2 levels do we?

ndj

222 posts

222 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Maybe, just maybe, Meredydd Hughes should use the time and resources wasted on this issue making our towns and cities safer places to live. Oh, but of course, that doesn't generate any revenue for him or Number 11 does it! Silly me!!

In a word; wr!

Snoggledog

7,010 posts

217 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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So like it or not. True or not. We're guilty scratchchin



Hmmm... Run that by me again. So is the law on my side or not? Or is the law working against me?

tvrslag

1,198 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Is there anywhere where we can right to the ACPO in order to register our dismay at this Issue?

If only all cases were followed up with such robust support, or even investigated in the first place. But as has already been stated speeding fines is a bit of a cash cow, sending people into an overcrowded penal system costs money.

Sam_68

9,939 posts

245 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Meredydd Hughes said:
We are saying to drivers who think they can try it on, ‘Come and get us if you think you are hard enough’. We have won every case we have supported.
Simple PACE response seems to have done the job for me against Brunstrom's hard liners in North Wales.



Maybe they only support the cases they think they can win. wink

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

226 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Paul Smith said:
You can't even comply with the speed limit yourself, because you recently had 6 driving licence points for speeding.
Muahahaha! You'd think that Hughes would know when to shut the up on the subject of speeding, no?

3 points is unlucky. Six, for the ACPO head of traffic policing, is ing inexcusable.

sato

581 posts

211 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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But surely a robust legal defence will cost more than the fine will generate, and as this is clearly not about road safety, if enough people challenge tickets it will make economic nonsense of speed cameras.

Nostrils

103 posts

227 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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The UK is seriously becoming a totalitarian state. I think this government and others that follow will see that revenue generation is the way forward. We will never beat this Big Brother......and we are paying for all of this too!!



In the recent news that all GATSO's will be converted to Digital to catch ALL of US, again at our expense I am sure...

...Where in any of the reports or consultancies etc etc have they mentioned SAFETY....all they harp on about is revenue.



The police are doing this simply because its a revenue generator if they get the scores marked high, receive bonuses etc. Better this than receiving points for catching a rapist....takes too long, too many resources and wont beat their Targets.....



And we cant have a Chief Inspector somebody or other being seen not to do their jobs now can we



WHAT A LOAD OF OLD BOLLARDS.



I will seriously be looking to emigrate from what is fast becoming a S H I T place to live, Open door/everyone in/everyone watched/everyone taxed UK



AnorakUK

91 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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and how's the fight against international terrorism going then, PC plod?

great to see our money being used to deal with the priorities in life....

I presume the next expenditure will be for a nice new uniform, why not change to a brown shirt, and rather fetching arm-band, and be done with it!

Russ35

2,491 posts

239 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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FishFace said:
The revenue generated is pittance in the economic pot. A few million in terms of the annual treasury? Get real guys. False argument.
Enough small amounts of money soon becomes a large amount. How many other schemes (taxes, fines) are out there that only raise a small amount but would pay for a small headline grabbing initiative from the government.

oxladed

102 posts

227 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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It's getting worse by the minute! Thing is though - if, as Paul Smith suggested "If drivers stopped accepting fixed penalties the system would collapse in weeks.", the government would simply make it illegal to challenge fixed penalties... Either than or put even more money in to proving that the cameras are accurate etc. This, of course, will all be out of the motorists' pocket...



As for the prat in charge of this, if he can't keep to the law, why should the rest of us be able to?

esselte

14,626 posts

267 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Is there a special ACPO team sent out to counter burglars rapists and murderers or do they just let the CPS get on with the less important cases by themselves...to me this all seems aimed at people who dare question the police/SCP's authority.......



Edited by esselte on Wednesday 23 May 12:49


Steameh

3,155 posts

210 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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How about more money towards catching those driving illegally without insurance?



Interesting isnt it that Meredydd Hughes is the cheif Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, yet south yorkshire has the highest number of uninsured drivers. In the estates in sheffield 1 in 3 drivers is uninsured, yet here is our cheif constable showing his priorities.



Mr hughes enough of the convienient scape goat of speeding and get back to enforcing the real problems, get more traffic cops instead of reducing their numbers and sort this sorry county out.



Edited by Steameh on Wednesday 23 May 12:51


7db

6,058 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Mr Hughes added: "I respect competent lawyers who go through the evidence on behalf of their client. My job is to make sure the prosecution case is as robust as the defence."





Isn't his job to catch people? I thought it was CPSs job to prosecute.

esselte

14,626 posts

267 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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7db said:
Isn't his job to catch people? I thought it was CPSs job to prosecute.
Meredydd Hughes shows off latest uniform

When asked he declared "I am the Law"

u81922

59 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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Does this mean a more robust prosecution of pc plods doing 150 mph in 40 zones, or are they still exempt?

NCC1701

3,851 posts

204 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2007
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E39M52003 said:
What a bunch of ignorant, money grabbing sycophants to this government ACPO and the police are. Why don't they all realise what we all know; it's not people doing 34 in a 30 or 85 in a 70 that is killing people
That's the problem with generalisations, something M5 which you would not appear to be immune to.