Norfolk Police Increase FPNs Issued
Norfolk Police Increase FPNs Issued
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Puddenchucker

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5,584 posts

244 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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This is the kind of policing that I want to see on our roads, TrafPol out and about dealing with offences as they happen:

Norfolk Police increase FPNs

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Thousands more Norfolk motorists were punished for traffic offences over the last year as police doubled the number of on-the-spot fines issued as part of a tough new approach to improving road safety.

The dramatic rise in fixed penalty notices issued on the county's roads - 8,200 in the last year compared to 4,200 during the previous 12 months - came after the EDP revealed controversial plans to issue officers with strict quotas dictating the number of fixed penalty tickets they should issue.

Yesterday a spokesman said that although these plans had been dropped, there had been a shake-up which had encouraged traffic officers to be “more proactive”.

The figures, released following a Freedom of Information request, coincide with signs of initial success with the number of fatalities and casualties dropping sharply.

Chief Supt Julian Blazeby said: “No targets were set for traffic officers over the last year. The significant increase in the number of fixed penalty tickets is attributable to the team being more proactive in addressing the irresponsible actions of motorists.

“Over the past 12 months the public have been telling our neighbourhood policing teams that speeding and anti-social behaviour involving motor vehicles are issues for them; we have listened and addressed those issues and concerns.”

He added that fixed penalty notices could help change driver behaviour without time-consuming court prosecutions.

“Roads policing officers issue fixed penalty notices for offences as they happen, rather than offenders going through the courts system,” Mr Blazeby said.

“The tickets are issued for offences such as using mobile phones while driving, driving without insurance or without an MOT certificate and for not using seatbelts.”

Last year 385 people were killed or injured, compared to the previous year's figure of 473.

The force had feared that, although the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads had been falling for a number of years, this was due more to solutions like speed cameras than the role of police.

Mr Blazeby said: “I firmly believe the positive action taken by the roads policing team has significantly contributed to the reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured on Norfolk's roads in the past year.”

The original plan to order road policing units to meet ticket targets had provoked an outcry, with some officers saying the number-crunching would undermine their relationship with the public and remove discretion.

Chief constable Ian McPherson made it clear that, although targets would not be issued to individual officers, various teams would be asked to improve their performance.

At the time a spokesman said senior officers had “questioned current performance” and were putting in place action plans to improve road safety. This would include using intelligence to influence patrol areas and “the setting of performance targets for teams to improve driver standards”.

In the past Norfolk police have been criticised for not enforcing traffic laws rigorously. When the ban on drivers using mobile phones was introduced the force issued just 904 fines during the first year, compared with between 1,300 and 1,700 in neighbouring counties.

Although these figures have since improved, the force was keen to do more to catch those flouting the law.

Insp Dave Ball, from road policing, said: “Our priority is the safety of motorists on our roads and fixed penalty notices are a tool for officers to address the irresponsible actions of motorists in Norfolk.

“We have taken action to address the issues and concerns to improve the quality of life in our neighbourhoods.”

14-7

6,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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I, like many others on here agree, we need more trafpol.

Unfortunately as we all know as soon as someone is stopped and issued an FPN by one they come on here to moan about it.

HRG.

72,863 posts

265 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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14-7 said:
I, like many others on here agree, we need more trafpol.

Unfortunately as we all know as soon as someone is stopped and issued an FPN by one they come on here to moan about it.
Ahem, I got a FPN for speeding and came on here and said how amenable the officer was.

rypt

2,548 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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Article is wrong ... should not say "fines" as giving a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights) - what the police do is offer let you pay them a bribe so that the case does not go to court smile

rypt

2,548 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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14-7 said:
Unfortunately as we all know as soon as someone is stopped and issued an FPN by one they come on here to moan about it.
No; what we want is the end of PCNs, FPNs and other on the spot fines and speedcameras. We want any punishment to be dealt with via a court - even if it is the person turning up to court; admitting their guilt and paying the fine.

Blackpig2

626 posts

207 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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Sounds like the Credit system which we ran a for a few years. just pissed the cops off to be honest, takes away any discretion.

14-7

6,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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rypt said:
a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights)
The law disagrees it would seem.

rypt

2,548 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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14-7 said:
rypt said:
a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights)
The law disagrees it would seem.
No the law does not, the law does not view an FPN as a fine though

Robert060379

15,754 posts

209 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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rypt said:
14-7 said:
rypt said:
a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights)
The law disagrees it would seem.
No the law does not, the law does not view an FPN as a fine though
I always though the fixed penalty notice scheme was the equivelent to an out of court setlement designed to free up court time so proper criminals can be duely processed. Reducing Police officers workload so they can also spend more time doing Police work rather than write up enough evidence for the CPS to make a strong enough case for the FPN offence to get it's day in court. Proportionatly the FPN is usually a lot less than the punishment a court would hand out anyway. Either way if you get a FPN or a Summons it is because you have broken the Law in the first place and should have known better than to break the Law in Norfolk it's been a Police state for years.

Milky Joe

3,851 posts

230 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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rypt said:
14-7 said:
Unfortunately as we all know as soon as someone is stopped and issued an FPN by one they come on here to moan about it.
No; what I want is the end of PCNs, FPNs and other on the spot fines and speedcameras. I want any punishment to be dealt with via a court - even if it is the person turning up to court; admitting their guilt and paying the fine.
EFA


FishFace

3,790 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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Ask to be summonsed at Court then instead of the FPN.

Or scrap FPNs and increase the public funding for Courts by 100x as they will be ultra-overloaded. Great idea...

fluffnik

20,156 posts

253 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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FishFace said:
Ask to be summonsed at Court then instead of the FPN.

Or scrap FPNs and increase the public funding for Courts by 100x as they will be ultra-overloaded. Great idea...
No, scrap FPNs and repeal laws until there are few enough for the courts to deal with...

timlongs

1,802 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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rypt said:
Article is wrong ... should not say "fines" as giving a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights) - what the police do is offer let you pay them a bribe so that the case does not go to court smile
Shame we don't have a bill of rights in this country...

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

237 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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fluffnik said:
FishFace said:
Ask to be summonsed at Court then instead of the FPN.

Or scrap FPNs and increase the public funding for Courts by 100x as they will be ultra-overloaded. Great idea...
No, scrap FPNs and repeal laws until there are few enough for the courts to deal with...
Indeed don't reward those with honesty, indeed punish those who admit their errors and those who lie all the way the same.

FPN's allow people the opportunity for quick resolution when they know and are happy that they have committed the offence in question. They are conditional offers, opportunities for early guilty please.

rypt

2,548 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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timlongs said:
rypt said:
Article is wrong ... should not say "fines" as giving a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights) - what the police do is offer let you pay them a bribe so that the case does not go to court smile
Shame we don't have a bill of rights in this country...
Oh yes we do - it dates back from 1689 - and is still in fact used today.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTe...


marlinmunro

3,071 posts

231 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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Thats another county of my holiday list, thank god for ferries rolleyes

14-7

6,233 posts

217 months

Saturday 4th July 2009
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rypt said:
Oh yes we do - it dates back from 1689 - and is still in fact used today.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTe...
rolleyes

biglaugh

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

288 months

Sunday 5th July 2009
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The significant increase in the number of fixed penalty tickets is attributable to the team being more proactive in addressing the irresponsible actions of motorists.

Define "irresponsible" then. (remember we are talking FPN's here.)

vonhosen

40,597 posts

243 months

Sunday 5th July 2009
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rypt said:
timlongs said:
rypt said:
Article is wrong ... should not say "fines" as giving a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights) - what the police do is offer let you pay them a bribe so that the case does not go to court smile
Shame we don't have a bill of rights in this country...
Oh yes we do - it dates back from 1689 - and is still in fact used today.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTe...
And FPNs (or PCNs) do not have conflict with it, the courts have said so.

rypt

2,548 posts

216 months

Sunday 5th July 2009
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vonhosen said:
rypt said:
timlongs said:
rypt said:
Article is wrong ... should not say "fines" as giving a FINE is illegal without due process of a court (as defined by the Bill of Rights) - what the police do is offer let you pay them a bribe so that the case does not go to court smile
Shame we don't have a bill of rights in this country...
Oh yes we do - it dates back from 1689 - and is still in fact used today.
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTe...
And FPNs (or PCNs) do not have conflict with it, the courts have said so.
Because as I said they are not classed as fines but rather as bribes really