Fully exposed C6 body
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IMHO, it looks awesome, even though the front is similar to a Viper for the headlights, but then that isn't a problem to me.
Also, 625BHP C6 TT? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=689320
Makes sense with this quote from Bob Lutz:
You did the Viper during your stint at Chrysler, and now Neil Hannemann, who led the Viper team, is doing the GT at Ford. Does GM need a Viper/GT class vehicle, or is the Corvette strong enough to handle that role?
Let me tell you that the Corvette C6 will have versions where we confidently predict it will suck the doors off of both the cars that you just named. The current Z06, with 400 horsepower, on the Gingerman Raceway, laps faster with its 400 horsepower than the new Viper does with 500. So other than just brutal straightline acceleration, the Z06 is faster today. Clearly the C6 Corvette, without giving anything away, is going to be a major step forward in vehicle mass, dimensions, handling, braking and, most important of all, power-to-weight ratio. So I think whatever gap exists now is going to be eliminated — in total performance. I think we'll match the competition in acceleration, and we will beat them in on-road handling. And if the Z06 version of the C6 is not enough to do it, we've got a few tricks up our sleeve, which we're already investigating. But it will always be Corvette-based.
And ZR1415, what was the magazine article which you thought I wrote, about?
>>> Edited by z064life on Wednesday 12th November 17:07
IMHO, it looks awesome, even though the front is similar to a Viper for the headlights, but then that isn't a problem to me.
Also, 625BHP C6 TT? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=689320
Makes sense with this quote from Bob Lutz:
You did the Viper during your stint at Chrysler, and now Neil Hannemann, who led the Viper team, is doing the GT at Ford. Does GM need a Viper/GT class vehicle, or is the Corvette strong enough to handle that role?
Let me tell you that the Corvette C6 will have versions where we confidently predict it will suck the doors off of both the cars that you just named. The current Z06, with 400 horsepower, on the Gingerman Raceway, laps faster with its 400 horsepower than the new Viper does with 500. So other than just brutal straightline acceleration, the Z06 is faster today. Clearly the C6 Corvette, without giving anything away, is going to be a major step forward in vehicle mass, dimensions, handling, braking and, most important of all, power-to-weight ratio. So I think whatever gap exists now is going to be eliminated — in total performance. I think we'll match the competition in acceleration, and we will beat them in on-road handling. And if the Z06 version of the C6 is not enough to do it, we've got a few tricks up our sleeve, which we're already investigating. But it will always be Corvette-based.
And ZR1415, what was the magazine article which you thought I wrote, about?
>>> Edited by z064life on Wednesday 12th November 17:07
Gixer said:
Lots of power is always a good thing but so are looks. I would say looks are the most important part. Most fast cars have about the same performance on the road. We are talking differences of points of a second etc.
Everybody has different taste and one of the reasons we are driving vettes is not just the performance - there are other cars out there with similar performance - its 'cause we like vettes. Whatevever the C6 ends up looking like I just hope it keeps its identity as a vette.
Until I see a C6 in the flesh I wont know if I like it or not. Pictures of a car you have never seen before never do it justice
Ok, I don't want to start a debate (although this is more friendly conversation) or question everything you type, but isn't lots of power just too much in some cases? 625BHP won't be used @ the track (well, not all of it anyway, if the track is twisty). A good example of building cars with insane and unrealistic amounts of power are MB. There is a point when the power becomes to much for any use but a straight line (some of the power on track, maybe), and not for street use, and Vettes are intended to be used on the street. Too much power just harms the driver and car abilites in the end.
I seriously doubt that the car will have altezza rice style rear lights. I think there were exposed pics of the rear lights, and they were normal (very similar to the C5 - red for reflector and brake light, white for reverse, amber for indicator etc).
As for the NSX (HSC concept), it won't be the car of choice if Honda follow what they did with the previous NSX. The previous NSX looked nice, had a pretty much timeless design, handled and cornered well, was safe, fun to drive, ergonomically correct, nice interior. But that was it. It was suitable for the circuit with its great dynamics, not for the drag strip like most of the other cars in the market, because of its lack of power, and the car isn't easy to tune. Maximum power is 500bhp - I've never seen more. Only problem was straight line potential, and the car wasn't selling well because it had a lack of this. Even worse was that the new WRX STi and Evo 8 in the states were just as great and handling, slightly slower in a straight line, but more tuneable (STis aren't very tuneable, however). And that was for $30k. Granted, the WRX STi and Evo 8 are econoboxes with some performance, bodykit (a beneficial one), with the purpose of being rally cars for the road. Honda need more power, but they didn't/probably won't (HSC concept is rumoured to pack only 350bhp, which is nothing relatively), give the car more power because of:
A) This alledged 280bhp ceiling in Japan (which three or four cars have gone over by a bit).
B) They care more about the damn environment then their customers needs.
C) There is a displacement tax in Japan - higher the displacement, the more the tax for the carmaker and consumer.
D) Honda believe in efficiency - getting the most out of as little as possible. This might be a valid concept in some cases, but not in the case of a car. They would be trying to run with Vipers and Vettes on the straight line stuff, but would still lose. Handling would be close(R). A vette would once again be a bargain.
As for the LPE Vette thing, well those cars are awesome. LPE has the best customer service and workmanship, and is the benchmark for Vette tuning. But then you know that. It was a 427Ci/7 litre engine that was used (I think maybe the C5R engine). Hennessey's cars are also awesome - shame he WAS a crook - he has recently done work for customers in Tx (same state as his company), and delivered a reliable product on the deadline. And this is Venom 1000TT conversions I am talking about - the most expensive product to offer (and most power he offers). Funny thing is, he never screwed people who lived in Tx, where he lives, but if they were outside Tx then they were screwed (this was back in the day when he was at the peak of his criminal activities - even getting customers arrested). Strange. His demo cars, purely from a technical viewpoint, are awesome. SVSi are also good. I'd be interested to know if Hennessey would screw a customer from outside Tx - interesting example: a UK customer who wants a 1000TT conversion. But recently, he flew to a customer's house (a new customer), gave him a replacement part for a part which was damaged by the driver having a minor crash with the car (front bumper, it was). And the part was given for free, with JH paying for the flight and the costs on his part. He is also paying back the customers he ripped off by doing the work they wanted and paid for, and/or by paying them back (or, really). He is also donating money to charities, Red Cross in Iraq, etc. But then everyone here probably knows all this.
>> Edited by z064life on Thursday 13th November 17:30
As for the NSX (HSC concept), it won't be the car of choice if Honda follow what they did with the previous NSX. The previous NSX looked nice, had a pretty much timeless design, handled and cornered well, was safe, fun to drive, ergonomically correct, nice interior. But that was it. It was suitable for the circuit with its great dynamics, not for the drag strip like most of the other cars in the market, because of its lack of power, and the car isn't easy to tune. Maximum power is 500bhp - I've never seen more. Only problem was straight line potential, and the car wasn't selling well because it had a lack of this. Even worse was that the new WRX STi and Evo 8 in the states were just as great and handling, slightly slower in a straight line, but more tuneable (STis aren't very tuneable, however). And that was for $30k. Granted, the WRX STi and Evo 8 are econoboxes with some performance, bodykit (a beneficial one), with the purpose of being rally cars for the road. Honda need more power, but they didn't/probably won't (HSC concept is rumoured to pack only 350bhp, which is nothing relatively), give the car more power because of:
A) This alledged 280bhp ceiling in Japan (which three or four cars have gone over by a bit).
B) They care more about the damn environment then their customers needs.
C) There is a displacement tax in Japan - higher the displacement, the more the tax for the carmaker and consumer.
D) Honda believe in efficiency - getting the most out of as little as possible. This might be a valid concept in some cases, but not in the case of a car. They would be trying to run with Vipers and Vettes on the straight line stuff, but would still lose. Handling would be close(R). A vette would once again be a bargain.
As for the LPE Vette thing, well those cars are awesome. LPE has the best customer service and workmanship, and is the benchmark for Vette tuning. But then you know that. It was a 427Ci/7 litre engine that was used (I think maybe the C5R engine). Hennessey's cars are also awesome - shame he WAS a crook - he has recently done work for customers in Tx (same state as his company), and delivered a reliable product on the deadline. And this is Venom 1000TT conversions I am talking about - the most expensive product to offer (and most power he offers). Funny thing is, he never screwed people who lived in Tx, where he lives, but if they were outside Tx then they were screwed (this was back in the day when he was at the peak of his criminal activities - even getting customers arrested). Strange. His demo cars, purely from a technical viewpoint, are awesome. SVSi are also good. I'd be interested to know if Hennessey would screw a customer from outside Tx - interesting example: a UK customer who wants a 1000TT conversion. But recently, he flew to a customer's house (a new customer), gave him a replacement part for a part which was damaged by the driver having a minor crash with the car (front bumper, it was). And the part was given for free, with JH paying for the flight and the costs on his part. He is also paying back the customers he ripped off by doing the work they wanted and paid for, and/or by paying them back (or, really). He is also donating money to charities, Red Cross in Iraq, etc. But then everyone here probably knows all this.
>> Edited by z064life on Thursday 13th November 17:30
You enthusiasts/owners do know that the designer of the Pontiac Aztek, yes that fugly SUV, is designing the C6 exterior aesthetics? A recipe for disaster, but I think he is doing great. @ first glance for me (styling is a preference opinion), I love the look of the cars (without studying the design - making comments like this part of the body is reminiscent to an older Vette gen, or there is this technical detail - like the low hood line, which is useful for track racing). There is good reason to 'reject' the C6 design, as posted here and elsewhere on sites such as corvetteforum, z06vette, etc, but then when I see the fugly cars designed in the present, the future (concept cars), the pressure on designs from external influence - crash safety regs, pedestrian regs, I appreciate a design, which may have a few 'issues'. And this car is a big step in looks for its market than the Aztek was for its market. I'm reserving judgement until January.
Lu5ifer, I have a habit of saying things, which other members know - whether said, implied, or not. We have to appreciate that the C6 isn't meant to look high tech, well it has to have some high tech element in it, but it is also meant to be a slightly retro design. And Honda, with their typical 'Jap tech' and nice designs, well, have done what you say. Their car also takes elements from well recieved (to me, although some of the cars the HSC has borrowed styling cues from I have a few reservations about - can't speak for everyone else) sports cars. It has done well in the process IMHO - looks technologically stunning. All it needs now is an excellent engine and transmission (not refinement - but power). I'm sure it'll have the looks and chassis. But then you probably know this as well.
>> Edited by z064life on Friday 14th November 00:01
Lu5ifer, I have a habit of saying things, which other members know - whether said, implied, or not. We have to appreciate that the C6 isn't meant to look high tech, well it has to have some high tech element in it, but it is also meant to be a slightly retro design. And Honda, with their typical 'Jap tech' and nice designs, well, have done what you say. Their car also takes elements from well recieved (to me, although some of the cars the HSC has borrowed styling cues from I have a few reservations about - can't speak for everyone else) sports cars. It has done well in the process IMHO - looks technologically stunning. All it needs now is an excellent engine and transmission (not refinement - but power). I'm sure it'll have the looks and chassis. But then you probably know this as well.
>> Edited by z064life on Friday 14th November 00:01
www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?s=685b734ca9fc6a2dd0b62df371259bbd&threadid=48268
Even more pics of the C6 - this time as a full car, not a shell, with no camourflage (sp?).
Even more pics of the C6 - this time as a full car, not a shell, with no camourflage (sp?).
malc350 said:
I might have to eat a slice of humble pie to if it looks THAT good! Shame it seems a little too much of a "what can we do to a C5?" type of design rather than something totally different.
If F*RD actually release that Mustang concept car they've been showing I think we'll see a few Corvette owners move over to the dark side. I see a blue oval in my future.......
Yeah, I love the design as well. The Corvette C6 was always emphasised by the designers to be a C5.5 - that is to keep the essence of the C5 design, but make necessary improvements (E.G. fixed headlingts, as they are more reliable, less weight, more aerodynamic etc, although the C5 is very aerodynamic). One look at the design (which has a lot of other criteria involved, and the brief is more detailed) instantly shows the C5 in it. But IMHO that is good, because I liked the C5 and I hate to see a nice design ruined.
I wish there were some pics of the front.
>> Edited by z064life on Monday 17th November 22:10
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