RE: Caterham Levante Sold Out
Discussion
Paperboy said:
Wilder said:
BEC = bike engined coffin
It really pisses me off when someone makes a sweeping statement like that without basing it on anything factual, it shows complete ignorance. I've seen many 7's that have been crashed and the passenger cell holds up well. In the most bent one the steering column was measured to have only moved 10mm. Things like wings, wheels and wishbones often get ripped off but the more of them that do the better as they're absorbing energy as they do so.Next time you feel like making statements like that get educated first.
Edited by Paperboy on Friday 17th October 19:00
Secondly I refer to what they are widely known as. What the hell is wrong with you?
Its a simple fact that they are refered to as BEC by most people - if you check the posts others use that reference so wind your kneck in a bit ...
Let me explain why they are generally referred to as BEC:
As you know, these cars generally weigh 500kg or so, which means that contact with anything heavier than itself usually means they come off worst.
As a practical example, Aintree had a trackday on the 4-10-08 & they wouldnt let any other type of race cars in with the Cats purely because of safety issues in case of collision (my car was 400 kg more in weight).
My old race instructor also said they were fantastic cars, but also the most dangerous when involved in heavy impacts on circuit. The main problem apparantly, was the lack of a roof in some situations. I suggest he ought to know as he was a director or ARDS and he recanted some pretty nasty stories of what he has seen happen during his years racing and officiating.
Also when they roll passengers & drivers are prone to suffer broken arms, which is why you can get the special arm restraints for this type of vehicle, I should know...I used to sell them...
Im going back a bit on myknowledge here, but Im sure some of the competitors will know whether the arm restraints may have been compulsory in some events.
Edited by Wilder on Friday 17th October 20:52
fbrs said:
Wilder said:
Its a simple fact that they are refered to as BEC by most people
I owned a westy for 3 years, been in the owners clubs, hired lots of caterhams and done hundreds of laps in cat race cars and I have never once heard "BEC". Probably because its a stupid inaccurate word.dandarez said:
fbrs said:
Wilder said:
Its a simple fact that they are refered to as BEC by most people
I owned a westy for 3 years, been in the owners clubs, hired lots of caterhams and done hundreds of laps in cat race cars and I have never once heard "BEC". Probably because its a stupid inaccurate word.Wilder said:
As you know, these cars generally weigh 500kg or so, which means that contact with anything heavier than itself usually means they come off worst.
Er, no. We know they weigh a lot less, you know little and say it quickly it seems. Hit a feather with a cricket bat and what happens ? Hit an apple and what happens ? Which do you want to be ? So clearly weight and damage have a slightly more complex relationship. Simple people tend to see the world in simple terms. And your Weltanschaung is so very simple.
And as for coffins, sad to say the last and only time I posted in the Ultima forum was because one of your number (a friend of a friend) died in theirs. Me damning all Ultimas as death traps would be as spurious as your ill-advised sweep of the hand over BECs. If you don't want people who don't know you to judge you, might be worth reining in that big mouth and small mind.
Edited by Noger on Friday 17th October 22:55
Paperboy said:
Wilder said:
BEC = bike engined coffin
It really pisses me off when someone makes a sweeping statement like that without basing it on anything factual, it shows complete ignorance. I've seen many 7's that have been crashed and the passenger cell holds up well. In the most bent one the steering column was measured to have only moved 10mm. Things like wings, wheels and wishbones often get ripped off but the more of them that do the better as they're absorbing energy as they do so.Next time you feel like making statements like that get educated first.
Edited by Paperboy on Friday 17th October 19:00
I somersaulted a Seven several times over, taking a small tree out the ground along the way...doing about 70mph.
I got out unscathed and the car was written off because of the twisted chassis at the front where it hit the tree - didn't even break the screen.
...Tough little buggers.
Nobodys arguing that they are great fun and tough cars, I merely said what they were affectionately called (its what I was told for crying out loud).
Any high performance car can kill you, and this extreme version can do that if the driver isnt up to the job -like any mental power to weight ratio car can.
You guys taking umbridge really do need to loosen up as no one is slating your love of these cars, or the cars themselves -they are fantastic & the best value track car ever made.
Please read the posts properly before you get the huf over something thats not intended as offence eh?
Noger The weight I quoted was an approximate, as it was the Aintree organiser who said that was probably the maximum (with driver) for this type of car. I believe my friends car is no more than 360 kg (minus driver).
So if as according to you I have a big mouth & a small mind your just being plain rude & for that theres no need - thats simply ignorrant.
Any high performance car can kill you, and this extreme version can do that if the driver isnt up to the job -like any mental power to weight ratio car can.
You guys taking umbridge really do need to loosen up as no one is slating your love of these cars, or the cars themselves -they are fantastic & the best value track car ever made.
Please read the posts properly before you get the huf over something thats not intended as offence eh?
Noger The weight I quoted was an approximate, as it was the Aintree organiser who said that was probably the maximum (with driver) for this type of car. I believe my friends car is no more than 360 kg (minus driver).
So if as according to you I have a big mouth & a small mind your just being plain rude & for that theres no need - thats simply ignorrant.
Edited by Wilder on Saturday 18th October 08:16
they've sold out....shucks... I'd just have to buy an r500 and keep the spare £70k in my bank account. dammit.
TBH I don't see the point in this car whatsoever apart from the people who feel they need to brag down the pub or win at top trumps.
Fair play as an engineering exercise, my hats off to you. As an ownership proposition I don't see one bit of attraction over the aforementioned R500/400.
TBH I don't see the point in this car whatsoever apart from the people who feel they need to brag down the pub or win at top trumps.
Fair play as an engineering exercise, my hats off to you. As an ownership proposition I don't see one bit of attraction over the aforementioned R500/400.
I think you'll find BEC is for Bike Engined Caterham! The phrase came about when they were building the Fireblade. Of course, if you drive a Westie with a bike engine, you can hardly use the last word can you?
I dont quite know why it's limited to 150mph thought, the CSR260 does more than thatand is very stable with it too, this thing must be able to pull big speed (relatively) un-limited. If you can have one looking like a fairly standard Caterham I'd have one.
I dont quite know why it's limited to 150mph thought, the CSR260 does more than thatand is very stable with it too, this thing must be able to pull big speed (relatively) un-limited. If you can have one looking like a fairly standard Caterham I'd have one.
Wilder said:
I merely said what they were affectionately called (its what I was told for crying out loud).
Really, I can only find one other reference on PH (and from another Ultima owning bufoon so perhaps it is just a term you meatheads use ), and a Google search leads only to this thread (sadly no Googlewhack there) ? So hardly in common use now is it ?And your initial use was not "affectionate" - no smiley faces there.
Wilder said:
You guys taking umbridge really do need to loosen up as no one is slating your love of these cars, or the cars themselves -they are fantastic & the best value track car ever made.
Please read the posts properly before you get the huf over something thats not intended as offence eh?
However I am not, and was not. I found an unsolicited branding of a particular type of car as a "coffin" (and we have proved it is not in common use) as rather crass and stupid. I then exercised my right to reply, seeing as this is in a Caterham forum too.
As I pointed out, I know of a fatality in an Ultima, and if I referred to them as Plastic Death Traps on the Ultima forum, I would quite rightly expect a level of kick back. How do you know there has not been a recent fatality in a BEC ? You can't just mouth off and expect nothing to happen, whilst acting innocent and quoting ARDS instructors for effect.
Wilder said:
So if as according to you I have a big mouth & a small mind your just being plain rude & for that theres no need - thats simply ignorrant.
Plain rude ? Plain rude ? 
I was being rude in glorious technicolor I will have you know Ain't nothing plain about me p.s. Bike Engined CARS preceded Bike Engined CATERHAMS by some time. And yes, BEC is an acronym.
Edited by Noger on Saturday 18th October 09:35
Yep its 9 am & after 3-1/2 hrs sleep I made a spelling mistake -good for you.Your acerbic wit clearly functions better than mine at this time of the day.
You seem to determined to continue this line of attack, even when there is an explanation given. If I have offended any owners then I apologise as it was not meant to offend.
Your opinion of Ultimas as some plastic death trap is fine by me - I really dont care - Maybe you should do the same...
You seem to determined to continue this line of attack, even when there is an explanation given. If I have offended any owners then I apologise as it was not meant to offend.
Your opinion of Ultimas as some plastic death trap is fine by me - I really dont care - Maybe you should do the same...
Edited by Wilder on Saturday 18th October 09:53
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