Assetto Corsa - Time Trial

[Asterix]

I tell you one thing, I always thought something like an Exige was meant to be a scalpel in a world of spoons but if they drive like that in real life then I'd never want one - I drive a Cayman S with a pointy aggressive geo set up (compared to stock), having done thousands of kilometers on track and if it behaved as poorly as this Lotus seems to, I would have sold it immediately.

[Altrezia]

I don't think it's that bad. It's not as sharp as what I'd imagine it to be like - but we've all just been driving the FXX thing about for a week. Go to the M3 and then back to the Exige and I think you'll see it's fairly good.

Only problem I can find so far (apart from the odd weight transfer) is that once it's lost a bit of grip in a corner, the next two seem to be slid-around rather than driven around, a bit like Forza Motorsport. It's hard to pull it back on-line.

Still fun, though.

[Asterix]

Altrezia said:

I don't think it's that bad. It's not as sharp as what I'd imagine it to be like - but we've all just been driving the FXX thing about for a week. Go to the M3 and then back to the Exige and I think you'll see it's fairly good.

Only problem I can find so far (apart from the odd weight transfer) is that once it's lost a bit of grip in a corner, the next two seem to be slid-around rather than driven around, a bit like Forza Motorsport. It's hard to pull it back on-line.

Still fun, though.

Fair point about the FXX comparison but it seems to have a tiny window of 'balance' otherwise it's as you say - get it even a wee bit out of shape there's very little you can do to smooth out the next set of corners.

[Altrezia]

Anyone tried it on the other tyres? Perhaps the semi slicks just don't suit it?

[RobM77]

As you may have earlier in the thread, I've now fixed my controller issues which were causing the Exige to be very unruly when I first tried it. However, I agree with the above, it's not particularly nice to drive and no, it doesn't drive like a Lotus to me, more like a Jag! The usual thing with Lotuses (Loti?!) is that unlike Porsches they're hampered with a less than ideal engine placement due to using a donor engine from a FWD platform, but Lotus are absolute geniuses with ride and handling and they do normally handle extremely well, just making that engine placement felt through quite a light front end and oversteer that can develop quickly once beyond a certain angle of slide; Lotus handling though is normally extremely good. Control feel is the best out there I think, by quite a large margin, but obviously we can't feel that in the sim! I've owned and driven an Elise and 2-Eleven quite a bit on track and road, and those two cars in Assetto Corsa match the handling as far as I can perceive (I find it tricky to tell sometimes without the whole experience - I'm just judging part of an experience on a sim, which can be tricky). The performance is certainly matched, as I did an apex and straight speed comparison for the AC Forum which proved the two to be near identical. The Evora S I've only driven on the road (I drove one for 30 minutes over some twisty B roads last year), and the handling in AC I can verify by extrapolation to certainly have nothing majorly wrong with it and I've no reason to doubt the sim's accuracy there. For the new V6 Exige I've only driven the coupé in real life. Certain elements of the Roadster in AC are familiar, so compared with the old 4cyl Exige it seems better balanced and with the polar axis stability characteristics of a slightly longer wheelbase. However, the coupé's suspension is much firmer, so it contains its mass much better; like the old Exige in fact. I understand that the Roadster has slightly softer suspension and is a bit less focused than the coupé, but the version in AC seems to have gone almost too far in that respect. I couldn't possibly verify though without trying the Exige Roadster in real life. For sure, though, the Exige Roadster in the game does seem extremely soft. I also hate the gearbox. I love using the stick shift with the manual transmission cars. The FXX was my first go at the paddle shift, and it was perfectly fine (although not to my taste), but the Exige's gearbox sends jolts through the whole car everytime you change gear, almost like a poorly executed roboticised manual.

As suggested, I've just tried a few laps on 'street' tyres and yes, the Exige Roadster is a little better. As described above, I think the main issue is the softness of the springs, and of course the road tyres produce a bit less lateral g, so the body compresses the springs a bit less. It still seems a bit soft and wayward for a Lotus though.

Try the Evora in AC for an example of what a comfortable everyday liveable Lotus should feel like - soft and compliant, but supremely controlled and with good balanced handling responses. I expected the Exige Roadster to feel a bit lighter and a bit firmer and controlled than that - the former yes, but definitely not the latter two.

[FourWheelDrift]

My first little go, yes this car is a bit odd and it's a car park of a circuit but the car felt like an old Grand Prix Legends car so I treated it like one and went back to a 270 degree steering lock, little too frisky so upped to 350 and it felt much better. Able to slide and catch oversteer especially through the double 3rd gear corners off the back straight. I was sliding around too much though I think, must remember although it felt like GPL it wasn't GPL

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:22.056	46.184	35.872
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:22.660	46.784	35.876
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:22.948	46.628	36.320
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:23.436	47.052	36.384
Jezz172	Jeremydowns	1:23.808	47.252	36.556
RobGT81	Rob Munro	1:25.068	47.748	37.320
Aphex	Rick Overton	1:25.104	48.220	36.884

[FourWheelDrift]

Oh and other than that the tyres never seem to heat up.

[RobM77]

I've taken half a second off my time, but not quite enough to beat Alex to the top slot!

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:22.056	46.184	35.872
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:22.156	46.360	35.796
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:22.948	46.628	36.320
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:23.436	47.052	36.384
Jezz172	Jeremydowns	1:23.808	47.252	36.556
RobGT81	Rob Munro	1:25.068	47.748	37.320
Aphex	Rick Overton	1:25.104	48.220	36.884

[Asterix]

I'll hopefully get a few hours later to try and get on top of the car.

Has anyone had any luck in dialing out the 'oddness'?

[FourWheelDrift]

Nope but I did notice the driver's head on the external replay camera looks left and right when I do.

[Rob P]

Am I the only one who works in the day? Wish I had a job that involved being able to play AC during the day

[andrewrob]

Had a quick bash at lunch but I'm still over 2 seconds off of the pace.
Need to try more tonight!

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:22.056	46.184	35.872
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:22.156	46.360	35.796
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:22.948	46.628	36.320
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:23.436	47.052	36.384
Jezz172	Jeremydowns	1:23.808	47.252	36.556
RobGT81	Rob Munro	1:25.068	47.748	37.320
Aphex	Rick Overton	1:25.104	48.220	36.884
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:27.368	50.116	37.252

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index...

[andrewrob]

Rob P said:

Am I the only one who works in the day? Wish I had a job that involved being able to play AC during the day

I went home for my dinner, thought it would be rude not to try to get a lap in. Wish I hadn't bothered now!

[FourWheelDrift]

andrewrob said:

Had a quick bash at lunch but I'm still over 2 seconds off of the pace.
Need to try more tonight!

With this car it's very easy to let it's sharp turn in grip turn into mid corner understeer and off road exit. One way to improve the time is to stay out wide on the slow corners under braking, keep it a late turn in and square the exit off so you can apply the throttle early while having less steering lock on (straight as possible exit) so you don't get masses of understeer.

This.


And have a listen to Jackie Stewart's advice on here, taken from Weekend of a Champion. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jAk-i5A_s

[RobM77]

Lunchbreak My work are happy so long as I get the work done (which I do; early normally), so I often work fairly unusual hours.

Regarding the setup, yes I have played with it, but I've not found anything that improves the car's manners by very much. What the car seems to desperately need is slightly stiffer springs, the dampers re-tuning (I'm no expert, but I'd guess it needs more rebound), and perhaps some ARBs front and rear (or stiffening them if it has them already). The stiffer springs would also stop the suspension bottoming out; not sure about you guys but I'm getting what I think is bottoming out when braking at the end of the back straight - the nose dives and then the wheels hop about over the bumps causing lots of little lock ups, almost as if it's out of suspension travel and the tyres and bump stops are doing all the work (badly and undamped, as tyres and bumpr rubbers tend to be!). I suspect strongly that there's been some mistake in Kunos' modelling of the Exige S Roadster; it'll be interesting to try the coupé when that eventually gets released.

The other Lotuses all drive just fine by the way, including the 4cyl Exige.

[andrewrob]

FourWheelDrift said:

andrewrob said:

Had a quick bash at lunch but I'm still over 2 seconds off of the pace.
Need to try more tonight!

With this car it's very easy to let it's sharp turn in grip turn into mid corner understeer and off road exit. One way to improve the time is to stay out wide on the slow corners under braking, keep it a late turn in and square the exit off so you can apply the throttle early while having less steering lock on (straight as possible exit) so you don't get masses of understeer.

This.


And have a listen to Jackie Stewart's advice on here, taken from Weekend of a Champion. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-jAk-i5A_s

Thanks for that I'll try that tonight, I'll give the video a watch when I get home too. Is it the one where he says about not applying the throttle until you know you won't need to lift off again (or something similar)

[FourWheelDrift]

That's the clip.

[andrewrob]

FourWheelDrift said:

That's the clip.

Yeah I really need to start doing that. At the moment I mash the brake and accelerator multiple times as I'm attempting to get round!

[andycambo]

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:22.056	46.184	35.872
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:22.156	46.360	35.796
andycambo	Andy Campbell	1:22.560	46.480	36.080
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:22.948	46.628	36.320
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:23.436	47.052	36.384
Jezz172	Jeremydowns	1:23.808	47.252	36.556
RobGT81	Rob Munro	1:25.068	47.748	37.320
Aphex	Rick Overton	1:25.104	48.220	36.884
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:27.368	50.116	37.252

Really struggling to find the balance of the car. Hopefully I can find time to put some more laps in soon to try a dial it in.

Great times Rob and Alex!

[S13_Alan]

Altrezia	Alex Ball	1:22.056	46.184	35.872
RobM77	Rob Manser	1:22.156	46.360	35.796
andycambo	Andy Campbell	1:22.560	46.480	36.080
Asterix	James Hartnell	1:22.948	46.628	36.320
FourWheelDrift	FourWheelDrift	1:23.436	47.052	36.384
Jezz172	Jeremydowns	1:23.808	47.252	36.556
RobGT81	Rob Munro	1:25.068	47.748	37.320
Aphex	Rick Overton	1:25.104	48.220	36.884
S13_Alan	Alan L	1:25.387	47.820	37.567
Andrewrob	Andrew Robinson	1:27.368	50.116	37.252

Haven't played any racing games in a long time, so got my wheel all set up. It's pretty difficult going so far but the game seems really good!

Like driving this car though and managed to keep the car on the track for long enough to get a time that's worth posting (my times with the Ferrari for the last one were so far off it wasn't funny). Hopefully will get enough practice to get some consistency and faster with it

Edited by S13_Alan on Saturday 18th January 13:22