Discussion
lovechild said:
SimianWonder said:
A good sword bearer can carry a poor team through pretty much single-handedly
Disagree entirely
If Crota doesn't go down consistently/at all, you're screwed. A good sword bearer will maximise damage to Crota, but cannot carry the rest through imo. Speckle and I have had a few late night raids with randoms and I suspect he has the same opinion.Certainly, the swordbearer is probably the key role and having a bad one will always result in failure even if everyone else does their job perfectly but, without everyone playing their part, a good swordbearer cannot carry the team through unless they are taking Crota down themselves (which could be done but, kind of defeats the object of having a team in the first place!)
As for having no HoW raid, I am properly gutted but, will reserve judgement until I see what the new end-game is like...
mmmm, 365 Fatebringer
Whether it will make up for having no raid, I don't know, but like others, I too will be waiting until I have played it (as I've already paid for it) before passing judgement. The rumour is it could be a horde mode and as I really enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, I may well enjoy HoW's end game content as well.
As for the next four weeks though, I think I may be spending more time on Bloodborne.
Whether it will make up for having no raid, I don't know, but like others, I too will be waiting until I have played it (as I've already paid for it) before passing judgement. The rumour is it could be a horde mode and as I really enjoyed the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, I may well enjoy HoW's end game content as well.
As for the next four weeks though, I think I may be spending more time on Bloodborne.
lovechild said:
Flat-out said:
I reckon the fact that the Prison of Elders is for a 3 man fireteam only means it is basically horde mode...
...which makes me happy.
I agree. But £20 for a horde mode and a couple of strikes? I'm not convinced. As 1 of a few different modes....sure, but not to be the content itself....which makes me happy.
The more the merrier, and 6 seems like a good number and makes it more of an occasion, losing that aspect seems like a mistake to me. The content seems to get weaker with every new addition. It might however turn out to be a triumph. Fingers crossed.
Assuming the Prison is a horde mode, it'll be great fun for a couple of weeks until everyone has worked out the mechanics and taken it way past its intended limits. At least with a raid that process takes months, rather than weeks.
I really don't get Bungie, they seem to have mastered the art of beating even our worst expectations.
I desperately need a new game to play that doesn't punch you in the face every few months. Battlefield 3 was excellent for this, for those who are playing Hardline how does it compare to BF3?
dunmow70 said:
I think I may be spending more time on Bloodborne.
Would like to try the co-op aspect sometime Tim. Gray and Kaney have also got it.Rather than buying the upgrade for current exotics/raid weapons, I think you should earn them. Every completion of the new HM VoG could result in a token to open up 1 existing raid gun of your choice. Maybe 3 exotics a week have a bounty attached to them and the subsequent completion expands the gun's abilities to the new level, WITHOUT resetting it. It could be fun if the bounties were different and varied. The old way of buying the upgrade just turned into a glimmer grind.
youngsyr said:
I desperately need a new game to play that doesn't punch you in the face every few months. Battlefield 3 was excellent for this, for those who are playing Hardline how does it compare to BF3?
I never played BF3 so, can't offer you a comparison but, Hardline is definitely good fun to play. You will doubtless be significantly better at it than me (as are most people!) so, will get more out of it I suspect.More than anything, it has been a refreshing change from the daily grind of Destiny and I like the fact that you can just dip in and out of it without getting left behind in any significant way. If you like your competitive multiplayer (which you clearly do), I think you'd enjoy it immensely.
I'm becoming more and more tempted by Bloodborne too, seeing as so many people seem to be playing it lately...
Adamjr said:
It does, and I quote -
'House of Wolves will not have a Raid activity. We didn't make this decision lightly. Our team has been humbled by the reception of Raids in Destiny and we are creating a new Raid for a release later this year'.
That's what I get for skim reading it!'House of Wolves will not have a Raid activity. We didn't make this decision lightly. Our team has been humbled by the reception of Raids in Destiny and we are creating a new Raid for a release later this year'.
Moog72 said:
Woo-bloody-hoo! Having grabbed the first CE chest with both my chars (hunter got energies, but the titan got shards) the titan has now finally made it to being level 32 capable with my Helm of Saint-14 helmet. First time since launch that any of my characters have hit the max level
Bout-bloody-time!
Only joking! Good stuff, only 2 more characters to go
Speckle said:
I'm becoming more and more tempted by Bloodborne too, seeing as so many people seem to be playing it lately...
Yay!!! I've only played about 8 hours so far and most of them were in a state of confusion/frustration, but it's got all the hallmarks of a f
king classic. I'd been hoping for a while that it would be the first proper game for current gen, and it is.Destiny is all about the people you play with, combined with top class fps mechanics (the former being very important). Bloodborne does it on merit and appears to be one of a select few very good games. In the Bloodborne thread, I likened it to Fallout 3 and Bioshock. Praise doesn't get much higher in my estimation.
We 3 manned Crota HM (Well 2 man until Crota then I jumped in) To be honest adding more people doesn't make it any easier. I now fail to see how anyone with 5 people can't damage Crota enough, when 2 people can easily. And it really is down to the Swordbearer doing enough damage, timing everything right etc, a run pretty much always ends because they die, but not always because of their mistake.
Digitalize said:
We 3 manned Crota HM (Well 2 man until Crota then I jumped in) To be honest adding more people doesn't make it any easier. I now fail to see how anyone with 5 people can't damage Crota enough, when 2 people can easily. And it really is down to the Swordbearer doing enough damage, timing everything right etc, a run pretty much always ends because they die, but not always because of their mistake.
Well done, that is no simple task!!But, even with a full raid team, 5 people aren't damaging Crota, are they? It will be 2 or 3 at most. The others will be tasked with peppering the boomers to keep their attention off the swordbearer (this is how we do it, anyway)
When it goes wrong, it is usually down to the timing. If rockets aren't fired at the same time or very close to it by those on Crota duty, Crota's shield regens and he either doesn't go down at all or goes down late and throws the swordbearers timing off meaning little to no damage is done. I've seen this happen for lots of different reasons. People not having tracking rockets so they miss, people deciding to do something other than their assigned role like inexplicably switching to boomers. People not hearing the sword guy call out, people falling/getting bumped off the ledge at that crucial moment. Added to that, there are still people who aren't all that experienced at the raid and so the whole thing seems quite chaotic/confusing to them initially and they make mistakes.
I have also seen Crota hit with 4 or 5 Gjallahorn rockets and not go down so, glitches can't be ruled out either!
Mind you, I always feel bad when I die as swordbearer, even if it isn't my fault!
Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 14th April 12:22
Speckle said:
Well done, that is no simple task!!
But, even with a full raid team, 5 people aren't damaging Crota, are they? It will be 2 or 3 at most. The others will be tasked with peppering the boomers to keep their attention off the swordbearer (this is how we do it, anyway)
When it goes wrong, it is usually down to the timing. If rockets aren't fired at the same time or very close to it by those on Crota duty, Crota's shield regens and he either doesn't go down at all or goes down late and throws the swordbearers timing off meaning little to no damage is done. I've seen this happen for lots of different reasons. People not having tracking rockets so they miss, people deciding to do something other than their assigned role like inexplicably switching to boomers. People not hearing the sword guy call out, people falling/getting bumped off the ledge at that crucial moment. Added to that, there are still people who aren't all that experienced at the raid and so the whole thing seems quite chaotic/confusing to them initially and they make mistakes.
I have also seen Crota hit with 4 or 5 Gjallahorn rockets and not go down so, glitches can't be ruled out either!
Mind you, I always feel bad when I die as swordbearer, even if it isn't my fault!
We're at the point now where it's pretty much always a game issue, either Crota not going down correctly, or suddenly attacking from knelt etc.But, even with a full raid team, 5 people aren't damaging Crota, are they? It will be 2 or 3 at most. The others will be tasked with peppering the boomers to keep their attention off the swordbearer (this is how we do it, anyway)
When it goes wrong, it is usually down to the timing. If rockets aren't fired at the same time or very close to it by those on Crota duty, Crota's shield regens and he either doesn't go down at all or goes down late and throws the swordbearers timing off meaning little to no damage is done. I've seen this happen for lots of different reasons. People not having tracking rockets so they miss, people deciding to do something other than their assigned role like inexplicably switching to boomers. People not hearing the sword guy call out, people falling/getting bumped off the ledge at that crucial moment. Added to that, there are still people who aren't all that experienced at the raid and so the whole thing seems quite chaotic/confusing to them initially and they make mistakes.
I have also seen Crota hit with 4 or 5 Gjallahorn rockets and not go down so, glitches can't be ruled out either!
Mind you, I always feel bad when I die as swordbearer, even if it isn't my fault!
Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 14th April 12:22
We bubble one side, 3 gjallarhorns, which is overkill, rinse and repeat until he's dead.
But saying that, it will still take quite a few attempts purely because of game bugs, or slight timing variations etc.
Speckle said:
Well done, that is no simple task!!
But, even with a full raid team, 5 people aren't damaging Crota, are they? It will be 2 or 3 at most. The others will be tasked with peppering the boomers to keep their attention off the swordbearer (this is how we do it, anyway)
When it goes wrong, it is usually down to the timing. If rockets aren't fired at the same time or very close to it by those on Crota duty, Crota's shield regens and he either doesn't go down at all or goes down late and throws the swordbearers timing off meaning little to no damage is done. I've seen this happen for lots of different reasons. People not having tracking rockets so they miss, people deciding to do something other than their assigned role like inexplicably switching to boomers. People not hearing the sword guy call out, people falling/getting bumped off the ledge at that crucial moment. Added to that, there are still people who aren't all that experienced at the raid and so the whole thing seems quite chaotic/confusing to them initially and they make mistakes.
I have also seen Crota hit with 4 or 5 Gjallahorn rockets and not go down so, glitches can't be ruled out either!
Mind you, I always feel bad when I die as swordbearer, even if it isn't my fault!
We're at the point now where it's pretty much always a game issue, either Crota not going down correctly, or suddenly attacking from knelt etc.But, even with a full raid team, 5 people aren't damaging Crota, are they? It will be 2 or 3 at most. The others will be tasked with peppering the boomers to keep their attention off the swordbearer (this is how we do it, anyway)
When it goes wrong, it is usually down to the timing. If rockets aren't fired at the same time or very close to it by those on Crota duty, Crota's shield regens and he either doesn't go down at all or goes down late and throws the swordbearers timing off meaning little to no damage is done. I've seen this happen for lots of different reasons. People not having tracking rockets so they miss, people deciding to do something other than their assigned role like inexplicably switching to boomers. People not hearing the sword guy call out, people falling/getting bumped off the ledge at that crucial moment. Added to that, there are still people who aren't all that experienced at the raid and so the whole thing seems quite chaotic/confusing to them initially and they make mistakes.
I have also seen Crota hit with 4 or 5 Gjallahorn rockets and not go down so, glitches can't be ruled out either!
Mind you, I always feel bad when I die as swordbearer, even if it isn't my fault!
Edited by Speckle on Tuesday 14th April 12:22
We bubble one side, 3 gjallarhorns, which is overkill, rinse and repeat until he's dead.
But saying that, it will still take quite a few attempts purely because of game bugs, or slight timing variations etc.
That is good going. Maxed Gjallahorns, and experience of both the raid and your team do count for a lot. A few of us have solo'd the whole raid now and it seems inconceivable when we get stuck at crota, but it happens. Adding more people can create more problems than it solves, especially when the people are inexperienced or using unsuitable weapons. If they listen to the experienced people, it works, if they don't, it won't.
I've had some shocking random encounters where people won't admit that they don't know what they're doing. It only takes 1 or 2 of them to scupper a raid.
I've had some shocking random encounters where people won't admit that they don't know what they're doing. It only takes 1 or 2 of them to scupper a raid.
lovechild said:
That is good going. Maxed Gjallahorns, and experience of both the raid and your team do count for a lot. A few of us have solo'd the whole raid now and it seems inconceivable when we get stuck at crota, but it happens. Adding more people can create more problems than it solves, especially when the people are inexperienced or using unsuitable weapons. If they listen to the experienced people, it works, if they don't, it won't.
I've had some shocking random encounters where people won't admit that they don't know what they're doing. It only takes 1 or 2 of them to scupper a raid.
I remember the raid on Saturday you invited me too. Full team, normal mode. I was firing 2 Gjallahorns and he didn't kneel. I've had some shocking random encounters where people won't admit that they don't know what they're doing. It only takes 1 or 2 of them to scupper a raid.
Ok guys, I have both the Templar and the VoG Exotic Chest CPs on my characters, so give me a shout if you fancy either (we'll need 6 for Templar).
I won't be on for the next hour or so, but should be on a bit later.
Now that Fatebringer is going to be levelled up to 365 with the HoW expansion, I'm even more set on getting it!
I won't be on for the next hour or so, but should be on a bit later.
Now that Fatebringer is going to be levelled up to 365 with the HoW expansion, I'm even more set on getting it!
JmeSwaz said:
I remember the raid on Saturday you invited me too. Full team, normal mode. I was firing 2 Gjallahorns and he didn't kneel.
Yep. The last couple of weeks seem to be glitchier than normal on both raids. youngsyr said:
Ok guys, I have both the Templar and the VoG Exotic Chest CPs on my characters, so give me a shout if you fancy either (we'll need 6 for Templar).
I won't be on for the next hour or so, but should be on a bit later.
Now that Fatebringer is going to be levelled up to 365 with the HoW expansion, I'm even more set on getting it!
Reporting for Fatebringer duty!I won't be on for the next hour or so, but should be on a bit later.
Now that Fatebringer is going to be levelled up to 365 with the HoW expansion, I'm even more set on getting it!
Won't be on til tomorrow, but happy to help. We can use the blocking method and can in theory do it with 2 of us, although the more the better.
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