World of Tanks (Vol 2)

[Mastodon2]

I'm losing the will to live with this fking M46 Patton. If it wasn't earning 1.25x experience as a result of the on track it would be unfathomably brutal. This thing is just a total, honking heap of st. I'm starting to wonder whether it's even worth finishing it, if the M48 Patton will probably be just as st. I should have just focused on the STB-1 grind

[jimmyjimjim]

Did mine with the doubles. Wasn't a fan.

[Beati Dogu]

The only tank I've ever ground out was the last 30K of the Black Prince, as the Caernavon was on offer. What a POS the Black Prince was.

The Patton is a really good tank once it's upgraded. Don't judge it until it is.

[Mastodon2]

Beati Dogu said:

The only tank I've ever ground out was the last 30K of the Black Prince, as the Caernavon was on offer. What a POS the Black Prince was.

The Patton is a really good tank once it's upgraded. Don't judge it until it is.

I think I may end up converting some free XP to buy the gun, I've got all the other bits, it's just the gun that is really, really letting it down. 240 alpha just doesn't cut it, not with 190mm pen and .37 accuracy. The top gun looks a bit troll though, pen is a solid but the accuracy at .40 is poor. It's funny tank, the M46, with good spotting ability but some pretty lacklustre guns, good gun depression but a poor turret, poor frontal armour, pretty big and not that fast. It's a hard tank to play aggressively, which is contrary to my playstyle as a I like to take important zones of the map, clear them and use them to launch flanking attacks ala Quickybaby. Perhaps the high DPM of the fully upgraded M46 will win the day for it, at the moment the gun is just holding it back so much.

I'm in a right dip in terms of guns on the grinds at the moment, my secondary grind, the top gun for the tier 5 French artillery is a crappy little pew pew 105mm which was the exact same top gun the tier 4 had. I can't wait to get my hnads on some proper firepower again!

[BigMon]

That has been a tough weekend. There seems to have been a lot of <1K players on (on my teams at least).

Soul destroying to see your team about 4 or 5-0 down in about two minutes.

It's been an expensive weekend too. Ummed and aahed and bought the KV4 in the end as I really want the ST-I.

As I've got a TOG I also bought the tier 5 British heavy, so it's not good to read the Black Prince comments above!

[JustinF]

The Black Prince is in the back of my garage covered in dust and cobwebs, I'm about halfway through the grind and can't even bring myself to play it on x5 days.

[RobDickinson]

I have a 58% win rate in my kv4 at the moment which is good for me.

Have the 107 now the 122 sucks. Also have the upgraded turret helps heaps ( armour and reload). Just the engine to go.

In tier 10 matches its a real struggle. In T8 if you make sure you are not flanked and can angle/hide lower glacis you are unbreakable. angle a lot (40 degrees). Faced down a tiger 2 and a couple of mates for ages parked behind a corpse (350m or so) slowly picking them off they couldnt touch me.

[cirian75]

got my E50M now

good tank, 1st game was awesome

and the next 5 got RNG'ed to death with many many bounces and getting killed by arty while on the move

[BigMon]

So, British heavies.............

Do they only really come alive at tier 8?

If so, I really don't know if I want to grind through three tiers of st tanks to get there. I'm having enough of that with the French lights!

Be interesting to know your experiences of the tier 6 Centurion and the Black Prince. I was speaking to one of my clan mates last night and he said he found the Black Prince is excellent at keeping tanks tracked due to it's rapid rate of fire, and has troll armour too. It sounds like some of you have had different experiences with it though!

I'm interested to see what you all think (and in saving me some potential pain too!)

[BigMon]

Mastodon2 said:

I'm in a right dip in terms of guns on the grinds at the moment, my secondary grind, the top gun for the tier 5 French artillery is a crappy little pew pew 105mm which was the exact same top gun the tier 4 had. I can't wait to get my hnads on some proper firepower again!

I found the French tier 5 crap. The tier 6 with the top gun is unbelievably better.

It's very quick at running away and has a pretty decent punch. In my first game in it an enemy M6 came after me as I was hidden behind a house. As he poked his side around the corner I one-shot him.

[bstb3]

BigMon said:

So, British heavies.............

Do they only really come alive at tier 8?

If so, I really don't know if I want to grind through three tiers of st tanks to get there. I'm having enough of that with the French lights!

Be interesting to know your experiences of the tier 6 Centurion and the Black Prince. I was speaking to one of my clan mates last night and he said he found the Black Prince is excellent at keeping tanks tracked due to it's rapid rate of fire, and has troll armour too. It sounds like some of you have had different experiences with it though!

I'm interested to see what you all think (and in saving me some potential pain too!)

Personally I found them pretty tough going - not so much bad tanks but just terribly dull to play. If they were a bit quicker then maybe it would be ok, but often they are just left chasing the battle and not really having much impact. Also, as with any high armour based tank, they really aren't that effective against higher tiers - good luck facing down any tier 9 in a Black Prince (unless the tier 9 player is complete potato). As top tier they can be pretty tough nuts to crack, but even then assuming people don't just run away because if they do, you won't catch them.

Being able to use the ROF on them is also tricky - most competent players at these tiers will not sit in the open and trade, it will be more of a 'peek a boo' style and then alpha is much more important than ROF. If you get someone tracked then yes they can be very dangerous, but it's a bit one trick pony really.

From tier 8 onwards they become more useful, the Caernarvon I quite liked when fully upgraded (though stock it will be horrible unless you have the guns already unlocked from the Mediums line) and the Conqueror is now very good. The tier 10 is up for a change soon, who knows how that will end up but it's currently a bit odd, if fairly effective.

Did the tier 8-10 make it worth the tier 6/7 pain is really the question I guess. For me yes, but I had many modules already unlocked from the mediums. If you don't, then I suspect I would have given up.

[TooLateForAName]

I think the black prince is one of the better brit heavies.
t5 is ok, t6 is terrible.

The t9 is good but I find the fv215b distinctly underwhelming.
t8 is ok but very situational - never see them in strongholds or t8cw.

[TooLateForAName]

BigMon said:

I found the French tier 5 crap. The tier 6 with the top gun is unbelievably better.

It's very quick at running away and has a pretty decent punch. In my first game in it an enemy M6 came after me as I was hidden behind a house. As he poked his side around the corner I one-shot him.

which t5? the LeFH is pretty good. I think mine fires every 8 seconds.

The big problem with french arty is the lack of splash. Unless you actually hit something you do very little damage. I think the US line is probably the best.

[Beati Dogu]

BigMon said:

So, British heavies.............

Do they only really come alive at tier 8?

If so, I really don't know if I want to grind through three tiers of st tanks to get there. I'm having enough of that with the French lights!

Be interesting to know your experiences of the tier 6 Centurion and the Black Prince. I was speaking to one of my clan mates last night and he said he found the Black Prince is excellent at keeping tanks tracked due to it's rapid rate of fire, and has troll armour too. It sounds like some of you have had different experiences with it though!

I'm interested to see what you all think (and in saving me some potential pain too!)

I didn't mind the Churchill I or the VII, they're kinda creeping death that keeps on coming while bouncing shot after shot. This tends to put the wind up the enemy. Don't attack head on though, zig zag to keep the armour angled. What these tanks would be like against the stupidly OP tier 5 and 6 Japanese heavies I don't know. Pretty useless I would think. The tier 5 Russian Churchill III premium tank is basically unplayable these days.

The Black Prince is a step to far with this concept and its lack of speed and weedy alpha damage are serious shortcomings against tier 8 and 9. Plus people are more likely to just load the skill rounds when they see you. The real problem is that it has to be the most boring tank in the game. That some people like it doesn't surprise me; Some people also like being trussed up in a gimp suit and strung upside down in a cupboard. The Black Prince has to be the single biggest reason people give up the British heavy line. I did too at one point, but I bought it back and completed it eventually.

The Carnarvon is much better. It has decent gun depression, DPM and can hold its own as a tier 8 heavy.

The Conqueror is a good tank since they buffed the turret armour recently. It has arguably the best gun in the game. The aim time is tiny and it's pretty accurate. If I could get a team that knew its arse from its elbow once in a while, I'd like it more.


If you want to play the British mediums it helps if you play the heavies slightly ahead of you. They share a lot of the same guns, engines etc and they'll be easier to grind on a heavy tank. I did it the other way around.

[BigMon]

TooLateForAName said:

which t5? the LeFH is pretty good. I think mine fires every 8 seconds.

The LeFH is awesome! I'm talking about the 'normal' tier 5 French arty.

Laughed at the gimp suit comment BTW. I'll continue playing the Churchill but the British heavy line will be a low priority for me I think.

I'm actually doing the mediums\heavies the other way round. I'm up to the Centurion on the mediums (like the turret a lot!)

[Z06George]

I don't know how anyone can play the tier 5-7 brit heavies. As someone who mainly plays TDs or SPGs they are normally top of the kill list.

[Mastodon2]

BigMon said:

TooLateForAName said:

which t5? the LeFH is pretty good. I think mine fires every 8 seconds.

The LeFH is awesome! I'm talking about the 'normal' tier 5 French arty.

Laughed at the gimp suit comment BTW. I'll continue playing the Churchill but the British heavy line will be a low priority for me I think.

I'm actually doing the mediums\heavies the other way round. I'm up to the Centurion on the mediums (like the turret a lot!)

The Lef105 is a good arty, with a fast rof, good accuracy and decent arc, the AMX 13 105 is crap though, gets an accuracy improvement over the tier 4 but somehow pretty much everything else seems the same or worse, the main issue being the gun which is just weedy. As mentioned elsewhere, things pick up at tier 6 with 155mm guns becoming the norm.

[BigMon]

Had some excellent games tonight culminating in a game in my AMX CDC making 80000 profit on one game.

I've played the O-I quite a lot now and really enjoy it. I actually prefer the stock gun to the derp cannon too. Quicker firing, quicker aiming (and less likely to miss) and still puts out lots of damage.

However, it really is OP at tier 6. Surely a nerf is inevitable.

[Beati Dogu]

ash73 said:

Did I mention I blooming hate arty I'm like a magnet to them

I hop you said "great shot there by artillery, really well played" a la Quickybaby.

[Z06George]

I won't lie I get a bit stroppy when arty bombs me out but what makes me laugh is no one ever has anything to say when arty saves someone or carries a game.